Feuding Neighbors

[El Jefe]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/14/D8DSL1Q84.html

If bad words can make Mexico(pronounced “Me-hee’-co”) and Venezuela(pronounced “Be’-ne-zuaa-la”) withdraw ambasssadors…

Could I Bush make a few derogatory remarks about Mexico to get Vicente Fox to withdraw 12,000,000 illegal Mexican  immigrants from American territory?

Could I Dick Cheney make a couple of insulting remarks about Venezuela to get Hugo Chavez to withdraw the illegal cocaine/crack/etc. from the USA?

…just a thought.

Actually I’m with Hugo.  Wasn’t it disgusting the way W walked around at the conference in Argentina with Vicente holding his pants pocket lining?

[cystic crypt]

i am looking forward to that day when i understand >50% of what you are talking about.

[Imperious Leader]

I just hope a war starts between them and 40 million of mexicos immigarants in US get real patriotic and move back to defend against the attacking hordes of Chavez army. Thats the best way to get back at mexico is to plague them with all the poor people who escaped to  America  since 1975 thus further destroying the mexican economy with additional hungry mouths to feed. Of course that will never happen because Mexicans are only patriotic when their soccer team plays or when it plays United States, so i guess thats a pipe dream. oh well. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[cystic crypt]

@Imperious:

I just hope a war starts between them and 40 million of mexicos immigarants in US get real patriotic and move back to defend against the attacking hordes of Chavez army. Thats the best way to get back at mexico is to plague them with all the poor people who escaped to  America  since 1975 thus further destroying the mexican economy with additional hungry mouths to feed. Of course that will never happen because Mexicans are only patriotic when their soccer team plays or when it plays United States, so i guess thats a pipe dream. oh well. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

is there a group of people you do NOT hate??

[Imperious Leader]

I hate anybody who lives in United States and who doesnt embrace the culture, language, or decorum of its people, and who swear allegance to another nation while benifiting from our economy and who would even take up arms against us if push came to shove. Thats clearly having the cake and eating it in my book. They want rights and equal protection/benifits under the law, but dont want to share any of the responsibilities, and send everything back to their “motherland”. Its about as two faced as you can get. Otherwise if they ingratiate themselves just a little bit each day to give something back and be humble about it, then they get a pass… otherwise throw them out!

[221B Baker Street]

IL,

IMO you should consider that a heathy respect of the culture of your home country (whether Germany or Mexico) can be a good thing.  Also, I don’t beleive most Mexicans or other immigrants (whether legal or not) are trying to get something for nothing.  Most are trying to make a better life for themselves in “the land of opportunity.”  I think they would gladly pay American taxes if they were paid American wages (most are not  :x ) and would otherwise take responsibility if given the chance.

There is no reason to hate these people in general.

[Imperious Leader]

I am against the concept that some legal or illegal immigrants extract all the goodies from our economy, but seemingly counterbalance it with nothing in return. I hate people who eat and run i dont care where they come from, but they have to contribute to the nation, other than leaving a huge medical bill behind for tax payers to obsorb… followed by those damm “anchor babies” and gentrification of clean cities into trash filled conjested Tijuanas…

[221B Baker Street]

And I am against the concept of refusing medical help to injured people - regardless of whether or not they are legal/illegal immigrants.  The “anchor babies” are still human being, babies, with every much of a right to life as you or I have.  And I might add, they are American citizens with the right to be raised by their parents.  If these people were paid decent wages, then the “Tijuanas” you mention wouldn’t happen, and I’m not certain it happens anyway.  If they were paid decent wages, they could pay their hospital bills.  They would also contribute more because they would be able to do so.  You really should consider their circumstances more carefully before you speak because IMO your arguements are … very weak … at best.

[Imperious Leader]

1. they should not be here untill they can get fair wages
2. they should not expect medical services unless they can pay for them
3. they should not cross the borders knowing these two things and
4. knowing the first 3 things they then should not come here with any expectations, and we should not bend the rules or turn the other cheek knowing that our nations hostipals are being bankrupt, because of the “pass the buck” lifestyle of these people.

If they ended the idea of Anchor babies much of the problem would end as well, while nobody arqued that they werent Humans…this does not mean they are entitled to free medical care and a free ride on my tax dollar. My job is not to support the weak or poor… thats what they do in socialist nations. Mercy should only be accorded to citizens… otherwise basic medical services rendered and a plane trip back the the southern tip of S america would be decent treatment, failing that a prison term of 10 years hard labor followed by that plane trip.

lastly, i am attacking the behavior and not the people. If they didnt behave this way things would be great. Its typical method of attack to imply racism in general, while its really a problem of economics.

[cystic crypt]

@Imperious:

I hate anybody who lives in United States and who doesnt embrace the culture, language, or decorum of its people, and who swear allegance to another nation while benifiting from our economy and who would even take up arms against us if push came to shove.

yeah . . . no.
you pretty much insulted the Mexican people en masse with this gem:

Thats the best way to get back at mexico is to plague them with all the poor people who escaped to  America  since 1975 thus further destroying the mexican economy with additional hungry mouths to feed. Of course that will never happen because Mexicans are only patriotic when their soccer team plays or when it plays United States, so i guess thats a pipe dream.

so the list for you includes:
the french
the Mexicans
the poor
Americans with biological/genetic/familial/cultural ties to other nations
Anyone else you hate?  Canadians?  British actors?  There’s a big world for you to hate out there.

[Imperious Leader]

so the list for you includes:
the french
the Mexicans
the poor
Americans with biological/genetic/familial/cultural ties to other nations
Anyone else you hate?  Canadians?  British actors?  There’s a big world for you to hate out there.

Now now… one second. I love british actors… Cleese is one of the best, but my favorite actor in the world is Lawrence Olivier. OMG he must be the god of acting is their ever was one.

French yep pretty much true :-D

Mexicans i love all the mexicans that have the courage to stay in Mexico, and try to stuck it out within the LAW. they have my unqualified respect!

How is it even possible to hate the poor? you can have or show them little or no mercy, but that is not hate… it is indifference. If a panhandler asked me for change would refuse… and thats not out of hatred… its out of respect to my beliefs. Another typical Liberal Straw argument if i ever saw one.

Canadians are basically American anyway except for the French part nothing wrong with them.

“Americans with biological/genetic/familial/cultural ties to other nations” 
wow this is really a stretch of imagination you sure your not talking about the other Imperious Leader? Or am i responding to the Other CC?

[Imperious Leader]

When CC becomes that MD and works in the emergency room he may have a different opinion when it gets closed down because the hospital is nearly bankrupt providing care to people , but not getting money in return for services rendered. It may not effect him in canada with the socialist medicine thing, but its trashing the states of California, and Texas. ill post a link for illustrative purposes. Dont you love how the original topic gets twisted and morphed into something completly different?? simply amazing!!

[Imperious Leader]

http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/publish/article_140.shtml

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

http://www.alipac.us/article281.html

these should keep you entertained…

[Mary]

So you hate poor Mexicans that work here, but don’t hate Americans on welfare? Both are a net drain on resources. One group works hard, the other does not.

The point people are trying to get you to see is that fleeing to a country for a better life is not worthy of hatred. Should we hate the Jews that fled Germany and tried to get into America? Or the Irish that fled from the Great Potato Famine? Would you do any different if you were living in a slum in Mexico? Or if you were a woman who’d been raped by Mexican policia? Or would you try to “tough” it out because- damnit- it would just be WRONG to sneak into America!

Someone doth protest too much.

[cystic crypt]

@Imperious:

When CC becomes that MD and works in the emergency room

i am an MD and i do work in an ER.

he may have a different opinion when it gets closed down because the hospital is nearly bankrupt providing care to people , but not getting money in return for services rendered. It may not effect him in canada with the socialist medicine thing,

it doesn’t affect me at all as this scenario does not happen.  Your system is wonderful for some, and it really sucks for others.

but its trashing the states of California, and Texas. ill post a link for illustrative purposes. Dont you love how the original topic gets twisted and morphed into something completly different?? simply amazing!!

i’m not really sure what your point is . . . .

[Imperious Leader]

So you hate poor Mexicans that work here, but don’t hate Americans on welfare?

Thanks to Mary we forgot to add welfare peeps… They get no respect as well. but then your argument falters real quick with more liberal straw arguments… Of course bring in any Jewish example … ahh its easy to get the crowd on your side with that example… only problem is we are not talking about PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THIER LIVES!! were talking about people who live in one nation and want to merely sneak into ours without the proper channels. They are jumping ahead in line and they dont have this right no matter how poor they are.

Irish came over legally and they didnt burden our economy no analogy

If i was sluming in Mexico i would try to make the best of a bad situation because i would believe in my nations future and not jump ship and commit crimes.

I dont protest i just dont back down from people who take my opinions and think im trying to argue something. I just state my opinions as you do. Yes they do have a framework or ideas behind them if you wish you can debate them… or i can have Rune Blade come in and have his way with your analysis…

[cystic crypt]

So you are NOT Rune Blade . . . ?

[Imperious Leader]

LOLLOLOLOLOLL  :-o :-o :-o

LMFAO too funny…

no im not him… is this SHP?  CC#2 or CC#1??

[Guest]

@Imperious:

I hate anybody who lives in United States and who doesnt embrace the culture, language, or decorum of its people, and who swear allegance to another nation while benifiting from our economy and who would even take up arms against us if push came to shove.

So, you still have the guts to call yourself German?
If you swear allegiance to the US, how can you be a “faithful German” then? Who would you fight for?

@Imperious:

1. they should not be here untill they can get fair wages

Fantastic … so, free market is great … and somehow i use that as an excuse for my xenophobia?
They get fair wages. The wages of the USans are too high. It is that simple in the economy textbook.

@Imperious:

… Mercy should only be accorded to citizens…

@Imperious:

Thanks to Mary we forgot to add welfare peeps… They get no respect as well.

Can you please make up your mind once ?

[Imperious Leader]

So, you still have the guts to call yourself German?
If you swear allegiance to the US, how can you be a “faithful German” then? Who would you fight for?

Quote from: Imperious Leader on November 16, 2005, 02:03:51 PM

1. they should not be here untill they can get fair wages

Fantastic … so, free market is great … and somehow i use that as an excuse for my xenophobia?
They get fair wages. The wages of the USans are too high. It is that simple in the economy textbook.

Quote from: Imperious Leader on November 16, 2005, 02:03:51 PM
… Mercy should only be accorded to citizens…
Quote from: Imperious Leader on November 16, 2005, 03:53:38 PM
Thanks to Mary we forgot to add welfare peeps… They get no respect as well.

Can you please make up your mind once ?

1. I fight for the nation i have a passport with since you said im not a German so now id fight for USan…and remember that faith means nothing w/o a passport…

2. Yes free market is great… is their anything better? thanks for agreeing with a USan and his passport.

3. Mercy and respect are two different values. You can have disrespect for somebody and still show mercy… like i do with you half the time!