I edited in my last post that there is one round of dogfighting so the AAA plane hits may have to go to 2.
Gas Attacks
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See this on gas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItsfvJyymjw&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Note also from this prog:
Importance of observation balloons.
Tanks were useless in defence.
Really, we need at least 10 tech units (remember this isn’t Risk):
Gas (as a 3rd type of shell)
Anti-Aircraft battery
Armoured trainsLight tanks (FT17)
Medium tanks (Whippet)
Heavy tanks (M series)Pursuit aircraft (3-3) (Eindekker, Nieuport, DH2)
Fighter aircraft (4-4) (Albatross, Sopwith, Spad)
Medium bombers (Breugeot)
Heavy bombers (H-P O series, Gotha)Aircraft carrier (Furious)
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Really, we need at least 10 tech units (remember this isn’t Risk):
It is Axis and Allies so we have 6, not ten. What Axis and Allies game has 10?
Also, no aircraft carriers. They didn’t exist. They were called seaplane tenders.
Tech:
- GAS
- Railway Artillery
- Tanks
- Forts
5)?
6)?
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@Imperious:
Adding another unit is not KISS.
MY idea may not have been that simple but asking the player to do simple math is not KISS either. It’s much eaiser to just have them make an extra roll to represent the number to tokens equal to the size of the gas attack they are doing the have them add and subtract and then divide while the moon is in the second house of Jupiter or whatever. It would be much simpler to have them simply say “I am using 3 gas attack tokens, so I’ll make a roll for each token and check the results”
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What would Larry do? = WWLD
These rules have to look like something that would be in the game, not in another game
People dont want the chrome, but simple solutions that are easy.
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In this instance I am prepared to say that, WWLD can be easily answered with the statement “making a shameless cash in at the opportune moment”. I hate to sound bitter, but it is clear that Larry neither understands nor respects the subject matter he is dealing with. WOTC would like him to make a big sack of money form them and saw an opportunity. Us historians and students of the period are noting but a bunch of insignificant gnats buzzing in the ear of a giant who can drown us out by stuffing more of the money it’s going to make of this title in its ear.
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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In this instance I am prepared to say that, WWLD can be easily answered with the statement “making a shameless cash in at the opportune moment”. I hate to sound bitter, but it is clear that Larry neither understands nor respects the subject matter he is dealing with. WOTC would like him to make a big sack of money form them and saw an opportunity. Us historians and students of the period are noting but a bunch of insignificant gnats buzzing in the ear of a giant who can drown us out by stuffing more of the money it’s going to make of this title in its ear.Â
:cry: :cry: :cry:
I think a year or two ago I would have really disagreed with you, since Larry wasn’t making a dime (as far as I could tell) from the work he was doing on all the Alpha’s and the immense amount of time he was spending (wasting?) listening to dozens of people who had each “proven” problems that needed to be fixed and happened to have the perfect solutions to those “problems,” but then 2nd ed. came out and he made lots of dimes lol.
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Gas attacks might be (or should be) something like roll a die for each unit in the gas attacked area each time you roll a one the unit is destroyed. Something akin to how aircraft worked in D-Day. But you’re rollling for your own units also.
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See this on gas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItsfvJyymjw&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Note also from this prog:
Importance of observation balloons.
Tanks were useless in defence.
Really, we need at least 10 tech units (remember this isn’t Risk):
Gas (as a 3rd type of shell)
Anti-Aircraft battery
Armoured trainsLight tanks (FT17)
Medium tanks (Whippet)
Heavy tanks (M series)Pursuit aircraft (3-3) (Eindekker, Nieuport, DH2)
Fighter aircraft (4-4) (Albatross, Sopwith, Spad)
Medium bombers (Breugeot)
Heavy bombers (H-P O series, Gotha)Aircraft carrier (Furious)
3 different kinds of tanks? 2 different kinds of fighters? 2 different kinds of bombers? You do know this is Axis and Allies the board game. Not Axis and Allies minis.
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In this instance I am prepared to say that, WWLD can be easily answered with the statement “making a shameless cash in at the opportune moment”. I hate to sound bitter, but it is clear that Larry neither understands nor respects the subject matter he is dealing with. WOTC would like him to make a big sack of money form them and saw an opportunity. Us historians and students of the period are noting but a bunch of insignificant gnats buzzing in the ear of a giant who can drown us out by stuffing more of the money it’s going to make of this title in its ear.
But people play these games, like you.
So to gain maximum ascendancy of these ideas, they have to bear the look of something that would already be in the game. People don’t want frigidity rules and will not play them if offered. Whatever the solution is it must “look” like a Larry rule.
WOTC is truly a joke business and they will go under eventually, but in the meantime that’s all we can deal with.
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Gas attacks might be (or should be) something like roll a die for each unit in the gas attacked area each time you roll a one the unit is destroyed. Something akin to how aircraft worked in D-Day. But you’re rollling for your own units also.
this is of course if there is a stack limit in the game
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Looking at statistics from gas attacks, it seems that as killing agents they were ineffective, but as demoralizing tools they were more effective. Thus to me it makes more sense to have gas reduce defense of infantry than it does to kill them. Even though both happened of course, the latter was much less common.
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3 different kinds of tanks? 2 different kinds of fighters? 2 different kinds of bombers? You do know this is Axis and Allies the board game. Not Axis and Allies minis.
British heavy and French light tanks were completely different vehicles with different roles.
There was a constant arms race in the air, with supremacy changing several times as opposing sides introduced new and better aircraft designs.
How can you have no bombers in the game? This is the perfect definition of a tech - an effective new type of unit introduced about halfway through the conflict.
OK, I was going a little too far (I want loads of cool aircraft minis). To cut it down to 6 (why is 6 such a sacred number - is it the number of The Lord Larry?)
1. Gas shells
2. Tanks (in this case it would have to be the British and German heavies, ignoring the French FT17 light model that was produced in greater numbers than all the other types put together)
3. Anti-Aircraft guns
4. Bombers
5. At least one more type of aircraft. This depends on which is represented initially; but there should be a “reconnaissance” type (2 seater, long-range, poorly armed) and a fighter type (1 seater, short-range, armed with ffsmgs). The Rec planes should be the starting units, the first effective fighters introduced in 1915 (Fokker Scourge) being the tech.
6. Rail Guns
I don’t see that forts are techs - there were plenty around in 1914. I’m assuming that places like Galicia, Belgium and Eastern France would have them at setup.
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British heavy and French light tanks were completely different vehicles with different roles.
There was a constant arms race in the air, with supremacy changing several times as opposing sides introduced new and better aircraft designs.
The same thing can be said about WW2 but still each power only gets 1 fighter
How can you have no bombers in the game? This is the perfect definition of a tech - an effective new type of unit introduced about halfway through the conflict.
Samething can be said of Jet Fighters and no special unit for them either. I personally believe that A&A should do an expansion pack with Tech Units in them such as Jet Fighters and Heavy Tanks, but that’s another conversation.
1. Gas shells
Axis and Allies has never had a unit anything like you purpose here.
2. Tanks (in this case it would have to be the British and German heavies, ignoring the French FT17 light model that was produced in greater numbers than all the other types put together)
[/qoute]Axis and Allies also ignores that Japanese tanks were nothing when compared to the T-34 or the Panther but they get the same stats. So again speaking from an A&A perpective there is no need to have them as different. (I personally believe there should be heavy tanks)
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“Axis and Allies has never had a unit anything like you purpose here.”
That’s because gas wasn’t used in WWII, at least not in combat. Different war, different rules.
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“Axis and Allies has never had a unit anything like you purpose here.”
That’s because gas wasn’t used in WWII, at least not in combat. Different war, different rules.
V-1s and V-2s could have been in Axis and Allies and used like your gas shells and they didn’t make the cut either
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I see a lot of posts in this thread and others saying that “this is axis & allies, not <name a=”" game=“”>."
I think we have to remember that Tactical Bombers and scrambling and combat air patrol and major and minor factories and tech tokens and cruisers and NO’s and NA’s and submerging, and on and on were not always in the game. What counts as Axis & Allies is always changing.</name>
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Tactical Bombers and scrambling and combat air patrol and major and minor factories and tech tokens and cruisers and NO’s and NA’s and submerging…
None of this is world in flames.
World in Flames is where you got uber detailed rules that add nothing to the fun factor of the game. All they do is get in the way of a good gaming experience.
Chrome rules that add detail , but nothing else are not axis and allies.
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@Imperious:
World in Flames is where you got uber detailed rules that add nothing to the fun factor of the game. All they do is get in the way of a good gaming experience.
Chrome rules that add detail , but nothing else are not axis and allies.
I totally agree, and after all this years its nice to see that the King of complicated houserules finally understand the consept of Axis & Allies :-D
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@Imperious:
Tactical Bombers and scrambling and combat air patrol and major and minor factories and tech tokens and cruisers and NO’s and NA’s and submerging…
None of this is world in flames.
World in Flames is where you got uber detailed rules that add nothing to the fun factor of the game. All they do is get in the way of a good gaming experience.
Chrome rules that add detail , but nothing else are not axis and allies.
Also Agree some of the rules in WiF are just insane,we did however borrow some stuff from it to pimp up A&A Global
Vichy France mainly. -
Well, it has rockets as a tech. Where Larry got the idea of firing rockets from AA guns I’ll never know; clearly they should have been stand-alone units fired from wherever you like.
“Axis and Allies has never had a unit anything like you purpose here.”
That’s because gas wasn’t used in WWII, at least not in combat. Different war, different rules.
V-1s and V-2s could have been in Axis and Allies and used like your gas shells and they didn’t make the cut either
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