Can you retreat, from NOWHERE?

[Cow]

you can move out and then move in.

[Gargantua]

Using the new rules we’ve discovered, all we have to do now, is find an example that would FORCE an allied transport loaded with Russian troops onto the pacific board.  :)

Are we having fun yet?

[italiansarecoming]

What about the anzac forces in Africa can they switch boards with a transport?

[empireman]

@Gargantua:

If you can’t hit the sub, you can’t attack the sub.

Actually, that’s a bunch of crap.

There have been some extreme examples, that I’ve seen, where this has occured.

Namely, a Russian decided he’d board himself onto an allied transport (American) in the pacific.  To spite the Russians the Americans then deliberately left their transport out as fodder for the Japanese air-force.

Then, to spite the Americans, the Japanese refused to sink the transport.

So the Americans sent it on a suicide no dice attack, which is technically legal, against a Japanese battleship and sub combo.

Ok i know this does not the topic but, thats really funny, to save a transport by loading a Russian onto a one, so japan wont sink cause they dont want to go to war! :lol:

[kcdzim]

@empireman:

@Gargantua:

If you can’t hit the sub, you can’t attack the sub.

Actually, that’s a bunch of crap.

There have been some extreme examples, that I’ve seen, where this has occured.

Namely, a Russian decided he’d board himself onto an allied transport (American) in the pacific.  To spite the Russians the Americans then deliberately left their transport out as fodder for the Japanese air-force.

Then, to spite the Americans, the Japanese refused to sink the transport.

So the Americans sent it on a suicide no dice attack, which is technically legal, against a Japanese battleship and sub combo.

Ok i know this does not the topic but, thats really funny, to save a transport by loading a Russian onto a one, so japan wont sink cause they dont want to go to war! :lol:

The problem with this entire line of argument is that there is no reason for Japan to not declare war on Russia.  There is no punishment for a state of war.  There is only a punishment for attacking territories adjacent to Mongolia, but you aren’t required to attack them when you declare war.  The only other reason that Japan wouldn’t want to declare war is to limit Allied units from moving into Russian territories or sharing transports, but if Russia wanted to do that, they’re free to declare war themselves.

Point is Russia can simply declare war themselves on R1 and open up their territories - again, there’s no punishment to a state of war, only if Russia attacks Manchuria, but they don’t have to do that when they declare war.

So, why would Russia ever not declare war on R1 if it means they are free to move through Pac boards and share space with Pac allies?  That’s right, there’s no reason (besides historic romanticism).  Russia screws over the allies more by not declaring war, as it changes absolutely nothing for the axis and only hinders Russia to be neutral on the Pac side of things.

[techroll42]

Actually, IIRC, there’s a helluva good reason: Mongolia. IIRC Mongolia doesn’t convert if USSR declares war.

[Guest]

That’s what i thought too, but now that I read the Mongolian rule a little closer it looks like that’s not that case.

[kcdzim]

@techroll42:

Actually, IIRC, there’s a helluva good reason: Mongolia. IIRC Mongolia doesn’t convert if USSR declares war.

Nope.  Only if Russia attacks a Japanese controlled territory bordering Mongolia before Japan does the same.  That means Manchuria almost specifically, but also addresses if Russia were to attempt to liberate Japanese held Chinese territories adjacent to Mongolia.  Note that Japan is free to attack chinese territories occupied by Russian soldiers and that will result in no penalty, as they are chinese (not russia) territories.

There’s absolutely nothing that penalizes either for a state of war between them.  It’s better for Japan if the US can’t land bombers in Russia and if the reds don’t reinforce china or india, but there’s NOTHING that prevents Russia from declaring war R1 and freeing movement for themselves (and their allies) on the pac board.

Soviet/Japanese Non Aggression Pact: Due to their mutual border conflct with Japan in 1939, the Soviet Union and Mongolia have a special relationship. If the Japanese attack any Soviet territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) that are still neutral are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of the Japanese Combat Move phase, in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory. These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception: If the Soviet Union attacks any Japanese-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union. In addition, the Mongolian territories will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union.

Attacking is different from declaring war.  Japan and Russia are free to declare war on each other without ever attacking each other at any time, over the entire length of the game.