Hello, I play pacific 1940 a lot. I have also played global a few times. Pacific 1940 second edition is a great game but I can almost easily win every time if I’m Japan and I attack on the third turn. A new rule was passed around late 2014 to allow the USA to receive a 30 IPC bonus if Japan attacks or declares war on them before turn 4. This seems to balance the game a little but I can still always win with Japan. The strategy for Japan is pretty much the same. Take the money islands, build a minor in French Indo China and Kwangtung and knock out China and India. Post in the Philippines with your huge navy and three fighters that can scramble and those six deadly kamikizes. Let Anzac and USA come to you so you can use the fighters to defend at 4 when the big navy battle happens. Eventually you will be making more than the allies with the money islands NO and the India NO. You should be around the 70-75 mark. Then when the time is right strike at Sydney or Hawaii and hold it and you should win as it will be six victory cities. For the allies, man this can be tuff lol. You better hope Japan attacks you on turn 1 or turn 4 because turn 2 and especially 3 it’s going to be difficult.
1: China: buy men and hit and run and fall back to the north west of China. You will be lucky if the Burma road is open more than two turns. Pull back and make Japan come to you.
2: UK: pull everyone back to India and just buy men!!! Try to bring your navy down to Australia and unite them with Anzac and hopefully later USA. If it looks like India is going to fall then pull your airforce out and send them to Australia to hopefully land on a Anzac or American carrier. If Japan hasn’t declared war early then take as many islands in the south as possible .
3: Anzac: small ships and transports are good. if it looks like Japan is going to invade then pull your forces to south Australia because from there you can hit any territory. Use your small ships to convoy raid or unite with the main USA fleet. Queensland is a great staging area for the allied navy early in the game. Also since there’s a airbase there fighters don’t hurt also since they can scramble.
4:USA: the big boy lol. The problem is when USA is neutral she only makes a freaking 17 ipcs a turn. While Japan is around the 40 mark and Japan has soooooooo many aircraft at its disposal. USA I say aircraft carrier early then mainly subs, destroyers, and a transport every turn with land units. A few rounds into the game get a navy base on the Johnson islands and start combining your fleet with the Anzac fleet and hopefully a small UK fleet. try to take the money islands by sacrificing transports because Japan will have a bigger navy early in the game. When the time is right move to Dutch New Guinea with your fleet and prepare for the big battle. Sometimes it’s better if Japan attacks you and sometimes it’s better if you attsck them. Hopefully you will have a lot of subs at your disposal. If you win the navy battle then Japan is pretty much toast even if they have India and China. Good luck and let me know how the war goes lol. I am playing anniversary edition on Saturday 😜
J1–>Alaska; J3 Game Over.
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Yeah dude, I will play anyone that is interested. The invitation isn’t only for Gwlachmai.
I’m not here to beat my chest and spin this as an amazing I Win Button. Honestly I really hope it is easy to counter. I’m interested in experimenting with the progression of this tactic and see what it is capable of.I understand. I am kind of a rookie at AAP40, but not of A&A in general. I am in the middle of my second game of AAP40 against a good player, but I haven’t taken the Allies yet. Just giving you full disclosure before you start the effort of playing (at least a 3-4 turn) a game with me. That said, I think I can stop Japan from taking over the WUS, and if I can’t (knowing that it’s coming, as you said) then that will give us all important information as well.
As far as beating a competent/alert opponent with it, everyone knows exactly what I’m going to do. :wink:
Good point. So we’ll find out if a rookie of AAP40 (but, I suppose, veteran of worldwide A&A games) who knows its coming, can stop it. I think that will give us all some valuable information.
Thanks for taking the time to try the strat with me. I appreciate it, and I’m looking forward to it. I should be able to post my move at least once a day, never less than once every 3 days, I think. It is my busy season at work, but I’m never too busy to play A&A :-)
Please start J1, and put a link to the thread on this page. Then everyone can easily find it, and observe what happens. I invite commentary as you play (possibly tell us what you’re thinking in some decisions) so we can more fully analyze this animal of a Kill USA First strat in AAP40.
Finally, as you and others have said, in USA2 if under full Jap attack, I would buy a suitable purchase for max defense (an appropriate mix of infantry, air, and possibly a destroyer block). Also, though I haven’t played this one too much, I think I understand the rules quite well, except for all the non-J1 attack crap (I always attack J1 so far) so that will not be a problem. Game on!
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I’m down for a game. I’d love to see this in action. Feel free to start a forum game. At the very least, either way it should be quick.
I don’t know if you want to play 2 at once, Tragedy, but if you just want to play Gwla, I understand. Just let me know.
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Honestly, if you move against Alaska on turn one, I’m not sure how you cannot see that coming. Likewise if the entire Japanese fleet consolidates in Japan on turn 1 I assume it’s to move against the US.
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I’m down for a game. I’d love to see this in action. Feel free to start a forum game. At the very least, either way it should be quick.
I don’t know if you want to play 2 at once, Tragedy, but if you just want to play Gwla, I understand. Just let me know.
Lol, either way they’d both be quick games, this start is really kind of a make or break move.
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Honestly, if you move against Alaska on turn one, I’m not sure how you cannot see that coming. Likewise if the entire Japanese fleet consolidates in Japan on turn 1 I assume it’s to move against the US.
Definitely. I totally agree.
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Lol, either way they’d both be quick games, this start is really kind of a make or break move.
Sure is. I’m thinking mostly “break”, but maybe we’ll find out…
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I think it would be awesome to play 2 games at once.
I am busy atm, give me a couple hours to get home, setup my board, make some tweaks, and examine variations (for example I might try basically the same opening move with some subtle differences); then I will start the games.
I appreciate u guys taking the time to work on this with me. :-)
gamerman01: Feel free to make your moves at your leisure, it’s all good.
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Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
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Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
Yes and Yes.
I like having the board setup too, it helps me see things from a “different” angle.
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Do you know how the play by forum works, and do you have the battlemap downloaded? If not gamerman can point you at some links that will describe how it all works. I can do it too, but, you’ll have to put up with Mr. Awesome drool.
I have an idea, too, Tragedy.
Why don’t you just do the same J1 for both of us. We can both pick up your Battlemap from the point of your J1 completion. That will save you some effort, as well.
There are a few versions of AAP40 running around out there, and I’m not sure they’re all compatible… I’m using some beta version… See my game in Play Boardgames section. Maybe download a map and make sure you can view it?
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My P40 map - check compatibility
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The map looks good to me. If you want to post one map for both of us, or if you’d rather do two seperate maps, just let us know. I’m cool with whatever you’re comfortable with.
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The map is good. I’m having a prob getting the Toolbar window to show in ABattlemap, any suggestions?
I will post 1 map for both, sometime tonight. :-)
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Go to view and on the drop down click on big pieces. I believe this will make the toolbar repop.
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U.S. 1:
Purchase:
1 Fighter
2 InfantryU.S. 2:
Purchase:
5 Fighters
2 InfJ3:
Combat Moves:
Amphibious Assault on Western U.S.:
1 Battleship Bombardment
1 Cruiser Bombardment
4 Bombers, 11 Fighters, 7 Tac (Maybe 8?), 1 Tank, 7 infAA Gun Kills: 1 Bomber, 1 Tac, 1 Fighter
U.S. defends with:
13 fighters total (9 U.S., 4 ANZAC), 3 tacs, 2 Bombers, 1 Tank, 1 Mech, 1 Art, 7 Inf.Japan caps Western U.S. with 1 Tank, 1 Bomber remaining. On turn 3. Both sides had “average” dice rolls.
Thoughts/Feedback?
I agree with the “never work” camp. If Japan, with even dice “barely wins” with the poor US buys, it should not win with proper buys. I will follow this interesting thread though, and watch to see the games posted.
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- I understand the concept of defending with Infantry…When u have 60ish some odd points to spend on U.S. 2 and u can only produce 10 units, suggesting all infantry is obviously inefficient. As Stoney229 said its apples and oranges.
I didn’t mean that the U.S. should buy 10 inf. I was just talking about general defensive tactics. And I will also take a look at this strategy (I really hope that it doesn’t work b/c that would honestly ruin the game). And What on earth are you guys talking about with these forum games? How do you play them? I would really like to show off my strategic brilliance once in a while. :wink:
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I got the ball rolling.
Gwlachmai:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=17513.0gamerman01:
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(I really hope that it doesn’t work b/c that would honestly ruin the game).
Totally Agree.
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You have to figure a US invasion scenario is something that got heavily playtested. There would be no point in releasing a game that is over in three rounds. Honestly, I think the game favors the Allies more then the Axis, and balancing Euro40 will be even more difficult.
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This strat is inttiguing but I too think that with proper US buys that this will not work.
However, the mere threat of Japan from the Alleutian Island group may force US into early buys on land forces over naval forces which could prove devastating in rounds 4 and on when the US finally gets in the game.
So in other words its a gambit you pull back from later after round 3. As Allies I may consider attacking right away in rounds 2-3 with the Brits/ANZAC.
Has anyone tried this gambit and then pulled back to mess up the US early buys??? This may have a long-term payoff.
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