This is not bad news … quite the opposite.
You don’t know who the President was before … :)
We will see what the new ones will do … doing worse than the previous one will be difficult.
Native Americans
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“Are you serious? They want to live on the plains, in a tent, hunt Buffalo?
Thats not being very realistic.”Actually some Native Americans do (though this is more centered around such elders). If it was otherwise, why would they need reservations in the first place? They would just be assimilated into American city life as the Dawes Act intended. Also Natives do adopt “Western Technology.” Remember the musket and houses anyone?
“Do they want more free handouts and special consideration?”
I don’t like giving handouts either or any “special rights.” But what do you suggest we do if we suddenly cut off all Indian aid? As a side note, I think giving them money is wrong. If you give money to a homeless man, what might he do with it? Drown his sorrows in alcohol or drug use? If the government gives handots, it should at least be in the form of food and clothing supplies.
“Did you know that it was common custom in the Cherokee Nation for a man to kidnap women from neighboring tribes (and later white settlements) to make them their wives…?”
I never said such Native Americans were nice, nice or had perfect sort of people. However, times change. I remember when the US first started, only white males (property holding of course) could vote. Obviously, times have changed. So if Natives were to practice their customs as they do today, I think they would’ve matured enough to learn the “mistakes” from the past.
“We can’t have nomadic tribes wandering through Kansas”
You’re probably right on that. However, the Federal Government still owns a quarter of all US land. Why don’t you give them fertile acrage (the idea of nomadic tribes was based more on the introduction of the horse, many NA’s were farmers) and let them do what you want with it instead if spending government aid on them.
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Your right TG times do change, the First Nations people need to be a part of Society…today.
Why do they need there own land? Why do they need their own government?
I’m Irish, can we have our own land and government too, inside of what Canada has already established?
And dont give me this " The Europeans stole our land" crap, was it your land?..…no!
The Natives fought for what they thought was theirs and lost.Lets cry about it for years.Get over it and live in todays world!
Does Germany cry about WW2? Does Japan?
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Actually, the NA’s (Native Americans) did have it’s own self-respecting government during the early days of the Union, which was recognized even by the Supreme Courts. However, that was before the dark times… before the Empire AKA Andrew Jackson :roll:
“I’m Irish, can we have our own land and government too, inside of what Canada has already established?”
Let’s reverse the situation. Say you already had a government inside of Canada, who’s lands once belong to you. And after all of the killing, ensalving, and wars, your “rights” are finally respected, but you’ll have to make due to relocating and having over 80% of your population utterly dead. Guess what, as the white population gets larger and larger and with notions of “Manifest Destiny,” your government is disbanded and eventually your forced into small Indian reservations.
“And dont give me this " The Europeans stole our land” crap, was it your land?..no!
The Natives fought for what they thought was theirs and lost. "Tell me, how is land claimed or owned? How do you know this land is really yours? However, before the whites there was not this concept of “this is mine, that is yours.” No, a lot of NA believed the land belonged to mother nature and they were there to enjoy its bounty.
“Does Germany cry about WW2? Does Japan?”
Did Germany cry after WWI? Do the war crimes committed by Imerpial Japan still go unacknowledged by their government?
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Here in New England, the tribes are opening casinos on reservations. Trust me, here in the North East, pale-face is paying them back!!!
All kidding aside, it’s really sparking the dying economies in Connecticut. All people (not just native americans) have good jobs with excellent benefits. They’re finally realizing the American dream! -
Ha, good one. But I can see Indiana Casinos as a good thing. They do provide much needed revenue (both directly and indirectly) to the state. It’s also an alternative to Las Vegas. (Las Vegas hotel owners pay California lawmakers under the table to try and outlaw gambling as much as possible here :o ).
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Here in the Pacific Northwest Native American Tribers practiced slavery and valued the life of a human being at one bracelet. Of course in Europe 3,000 years ago a human was valued at about 1/3 of a goat.
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"I hope this dosen’t come off sounding predudice, but The situation with “Native Americans” In our country and more spesificaly in my state, annoys me like you wouldn’t belive.
Do they have reservations in Canada? I know they don’t in Mexico.
What a pile of crap! I was born here too, dosn’t that make me a native?
I think that this has gone on long enough the US government should just declare reservations obsolete and treat the tribes like private companies, which is basicaly what they are, and quit giving them handouts and making special rules for them."
I have family in Arizona, ande all Arizonans are such racists! I mean damn, do you see those so called “reservations”? You might as well give them a dumb in brooklyn.
“What a pile of crap! I was born here too, dosn’t that make me a native?”
No, you are a descendent of someone who benefitted from the Spanish, French, and English dudes who killed anyone in their way. Even buffaloes! (those basdtards.)
“I think that this has gone on long enough the US government should just declare reservations obsolete and treat the tribes like private companies, which is basicaly what they are, and quit giving them handouts and making special rules for them.”
Reservations, casinos, and taxless cigarettes are the “compensation” for us raping them up the ass without lubing up (in other words stealing their land and keeping them “down” economically.) Reservations? They should be allowed to have them…they are not worth anything anyway. Taxless cigarettes and gas? No, that only helps organized crime.
I’m one of those guy’s who doesn’t believe in compensation (like money given to descendents of slaves, holocaust survivors, and things of the sort.) The best we can do is move on and not seperate people from each other from what happened in the past.
But why would you take away their reservations? That is the little crap they even have left.
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“Even buffaloes! (those basdtards.)”
Ha, this is too great not to laugh at! :lol: But us Americans are responsible for this too. Remember the railroads?
Yeah, I seen the reservations in California. Wouldn’t exactly call them 5-Star Hotels.
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@TG:
“Even buffaloes! (those basdtards.)”
Ha, this is too great not to laugh at! :lol: But us Americans are responsible for this too. Remember the railroads?
Yeah, I seen the reservations in California. Wouldn’t exactly call them 5-Star Hotels.
Exactly. It kind of sucks that the only way to “make it” is to leave the land and assimilate.
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They should just give the buffalo to the diehard NA’s (and there are quite a few of them; otherwise we wouldn’t probably be having this discussion) to hunt and some of the government owned land (which still owns about 25% of all American soil) for them to hunt on.
Come on, we sort of do this for the Eskimos in terms of whaling
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@TG:
They should just give the buffalo to the diehard NA’s (and there are quite a few of them; otherwise we wouldn’t probably be having this discussion) to hunt and some of the government owned land (which still owns about 25% of all American soil) for them to hunt on.
Come on, we sort of do this for the Eskimos in terms of whaling
No way, set up land so they can hunt a endangered species???
The NA dont need to hunt buffalo to survive.
Can they set aside land in Ireland so my friends and I can set up a feudal society?
Ridiculous!
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@Mr:
Can they set aside land in Ireland so my friends and I can set up a feudal society?
Actually, that sounds like fun!
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@Mr:
Can they set aside land in Ireland so my friends and I can set up a feudal society?
Actually, that sounds like fun!
can i be the smith cum doctor?
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“No way, set up land so they can hunt a endangered species???”
Hmmm… I wonder why the buffalo became endangered species in the first place? Could it be those evil NAs hunting down the buffalo to near extinction like crazy? Also from what I heard, the buffalo population (though nowhere the size of what it use to be) has grown quite a lot, especially with the domestication of the buffalo (just look at Ted Turner and his Buffalo farms).
“Can they set aside land in Ireland so my friends and I can set up a feudal society?”
Sure if your friends own the land, I don’t see why not. Anyways, I doubt what I said above will be set in stone. Honestly, I haven’t factored in the possible consequences,which must always be taken in accountability (exactly how much land being a big question). But it seems like the only thing a lot of NA’s will accept short of reclaiming ALL of their land back.
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@TG:
“No way, set up land so they can hunt a endangered species???”
Hmmm… I wonder why the buffalo became endangered species in the first place? Could it be those evil NAs hunting down the buffalo to near extinction like crazy? Also from what I heard, the buffalo population (though nowhere the size of what it use to be) has grown quite a lot, especially with the domestication of the buffalo (just look at Ted Turner and his Buffalo farms).
“Can they set aside land in Ireland so my friends and I can set up a feudal society?”
Sure if your friends own the land, I don’t see why not. Anyways, I doubt what I said above will be set in stone. Honestly, I haven’t factored in the possible consequences,which must always be taken in accountability (exactly how much land being a big question). But it seems like the only thing a lot of NA’s will accept short of reclaiming ALL of their land back.
It doesnt really matter who endangered the buffalo, the point being these NA wanting a way of life back that none alive today ever experienced.
Its not even close to a practical solution.
To entertain that as a option is just plain dumb. No offence, I mean it as a general statement.If NA want their land and way of life back, which is unreasonable in today’s world, let them come and take it.
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“To entertain that as a option is just plain dumb. No offence, I mean it as a general statement.”
Well this is merely a suggestion. But something definitely has to be done about the present situation. I’m sure we can all agree on this.
“If NA want their land and way of life back, which is unreasonable in today’s world, let them come and take it.”
I’m sure even the NA are “civilized” enough to know already that their territorial boundaries won’t be recognized through war.
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@cystic:
can i be the smith cum doctor?
Yes, as long as I get to be the King (Yanny can be the court jester)
What is a smith cum doctor?
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@cystic:
can i be the smith cum doctor?
Yes, as long as I get to be the King (Yanny can be the court jester)
What is a smith cum doctor?
basically i want to try my hand at making stuff (a smithy) with a sideline job as the doctor.
Being king might be kind of cool, but i want to work with my hands and my mind and not just tax and judge and wage war on people.- lazy crypt
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If I could have any job, it would be the Pope.
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@TG:
They should just give the buffalo to the diehard NA’s (and there are quite a few of them; otherwise we wouldn’t probably be having this discussion) to hunt and some of the government owned land (which still owns about 25% of all American soil) for them to hunt on.
Come on, we sort of do this for the Eskimos in terms of whaling
They buy their food, alcohol, and tobacco in stores. They don’t want to hunt anymore!
But give them some better land to farm on!
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