PtV 666 (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+6)

[666]

@simon33

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 3 armour and 5 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
              Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Kursk
              Russians take Kursk from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Gorky to Nenetsia
              Russians take Nenetsia from Germans

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Urals to Kazakhstan
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Gorky
        2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Tula to Saratov
        2 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Samara
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Samara to Russia
        1 aaGun moved from Tula to Russia
        1 artillery moved from Russia to Samara
        10 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 aaGun moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea
        1 aaGun moved from Amur to Korea
        5 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea

    Place Units - Russians
        3 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6,1,5,2,1
        Russians collect 30 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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[simon33]

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Scramble to SZ55?

[666]

@simon33 said in PtV 666 (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+6):

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Scramble to SZ55?

I would like to but my fighters have been rolling lousy, so ill pass this time

[simon33]

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 56 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 55 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 56 Sea Zone to Solomon Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 50 Sea Zone to Solomon Islands
        1 bomber and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan
        1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Britain

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 33 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 33 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in New Britain
        Battle in Solomon Islands
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Solomon Islands, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery in Solomon Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Solomon Islands
            Japanese win, taking New Britain from ANZAC, taking Solomon Islands from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
            1 fighter owned by the Japanese retreated
            UK_Pacific win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -13
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in Kwangsi
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi
            Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Szechwan
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Szechwan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
            Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Hunan
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
            Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        1 armour moved from French Indo China to Hunan
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to French Indo China
        1 carrier moved from 21 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Northern Australia to 56 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 56 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 50 Sea Zone to Solomon Islands
        1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        2 carriers, 1 cruiser and 4 destroyers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Solomon Islands to 50 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Anhwe

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in Japan
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.33
Americans regular : 0.67
Japanese regular : -0.50
UK_Pacific regular : 1.33
ANZAC regular : 0.67

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[666]

On a short vaca in the White Mtns. Will move on Monday

[666]

@simon33 if you want to scramble at either of those battles, just let me know and we can reroll those.

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 18 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Iwo Jima

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
        3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Brazil to 88 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana
        1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 27 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        2 submarines moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 2 transports placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Trigger Americans 5 Presence In France: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 78 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Kwangsi
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Honan
        1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Honan
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Kwangsi
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangsi
            Chinese win, taking Kwangsi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Szechwan
            Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 7 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 7 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
            Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 artillery and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Honan
            Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Honan
            Chinese win, taking Honan from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Inner Mongolia
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
        1 infantry placed in Kweichow
        2 infantry placed in Szechwan
        Chinese undo move 4.
        2 infantry placed in Yunnan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 15 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 destroyer and 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific repair damage of 2x factory_major; Remaining resources: 10 PUs; 
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
            British converts factory_major into different units
        4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        4 fighters moved from France to Holland Belgium
        1 tactical_bomber moved from France to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from France to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 marine moved from 99 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy
              British take Northern Italy from Italians
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya
              UK_Pacific take Malaya from Japanese

    Combat - British
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            British attack with 4 fighters and 4 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 4 fighters and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
                British roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 3/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
            British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 4 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Russians loiter and taunt
            Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 6.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 2 battleships owned by the British
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 2 transports owned by the Italians, 2 cruisers owned by the Italians, 1 submarine owned by the Italians and 1 battleship owned by the Italians lost in 99 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 99 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 battleships, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 66
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports
        Battle in Yugoslavia

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to France
        1 aaGun, 1 armour and 6 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
        1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to France
        1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 3 infantry and 1 marine moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from Iraq to Syria
        1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Baluchistan
        1 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
        2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan
        1 aaGun moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan

    Place Units - British
        3 fighters placed in United Kingdom
        1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern India
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Queensland: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to New South Wales: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.33
Italians regular : -0.17
Japanese regular : 1.00
Germans regular : 0.00
British regular : -0.83

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[simon33]

Italy all but defeated, Japan losing in China (as usual) and Germany struggling - will not be able to hold Stalingrad. I don’t really see the path to victory for the Axis from here.

I’ve made mistakes this game but I think it is just too hard for Axis and relies on an allied miscue for victory.

[666]

@simon33 I think a Jpn DOW T1 is hard enough, (i am too afraid to try it) Germany not taking all the FRE IPC’s it can is another thing that makes the Axis path harder I think, but then again WTH do I know. LOL

Is this your official surrender?

[simon33]

I will give up. Have posted.

[simon33]

Regarding not taking Normandy and Sth France, I still think that is positive so long as Paris is defended. I didn’t do the latter.