What I try to say is forgett about south Asia and go the northern route through Sibir. The best counter to a UK factory in Persia is a Japan factory in Manchuria
Another unorthodox russian strategy that have served me well, is to purchase a carrier and place it in the Black Sea and land your two fighters on it. Now it is impossible for the Italian navy to successfully attack Caucasus in Turn 1.
Hi Aldertag, I am a little confused about this one as in 41 set-up Russia does not have any planes to start with I believe. :?
42 I think has one, but cannot remember. :?
Can you clarify?
The idea is intriging though. :-D
@!ACHTUNG!:
Does anyone have any proven unorthodox strategies they want to share?
I have a russian strat I call the “Red Octobre” that I want to share. So basically when I play Russia I purchase 3 subs in Turn 1 and place them in the Black Sea, and after combat I land all my aircrafts in Caucasus too. So in Turn 2 I attack the Italian fleet with 3 subs and 2 planes. Usually this is enough to sink the Regia Marina, butt if the battleship survive, then some UK bombers will finish it off and land in Caucasus later.
The big point with this strat is to sink the Italian fleet as soon as possible, and the only way to do this is with russian subs. Now if you play a traditional Russia and buy infantry only, then Uk must buy a lot of bombers and try to sink the fleet themselves, butt that will not happen until turn 3 or 4, and then the UK bombers have no place to land since Caucasus will be occupied by Axis. So in you next tourney game just try this strat out, and I promise you victory.
Also wanted to mention that the subs in the Black Sea is a kick a** idea, because they are cheap, and the Italians have no destroyer, so they would have to purchase one on their first turn to counter, that is what I would do otherwise the subs get their sneak attacks.
Does this strat diminish the Russian front against the Germans? Where they able to take advantage?
I think I will try it to see, if nothing else the Axis player will be sweating and it may just screw them up with Italy. :lol:
Does this strat diminish the Russian front against the Germans? Where they able to take advantage?
This game is all about balance. The Allied nr 1 priority is to sink the Italian fleet in order to protect the African income. It dont matter who sink this fleet, as long as it hit the bottom. Now if Russia sink it with cheap subs in turn 2, then UK will save the expensive bombers and use her resources to pressure Germany up north. So you see, the Huns are not able to take advantage of a Russian all naval build, because the brits will harass them.
Hi Aldertag, I am a little confused about this one as in 41 set-up Russia does not have any planes to start with I believe. :?
You are correct as always. Russia dont start with fighters, so we need to gather some. Since a carrier cost 14 IPC and a fighter cost 10 IPC, at a total of 24 IPC, you just might cover it in your first purchase. But you still miss one fighter. So how about borrow one from UK ? Land the Egypt or Indian fighter on your russian carrier. I say, you do land your Indian fighter on the US carrier at Hawaii now and then, so why not try to land it on the russian carrier for a change ? Or UK get long range tech and fly a fighter from UK to the carrier. Or you play russia with a bid, just big enough to cover a carrier with two figs. There are so many ways. I bet you dont win many games, now do you ? I mean, with your attitude. Wow. People mail me every day, and ask, Adlertag please teach me how to win. And I tell them
must be something f¤#k1#% wrong with my PC, or this message board, since it freeze before I am finished typing. Butt OK, back to topic. As I said, always play aggressivly. Always attack if able. That is the only way to win. This is what I teach my students. You dont win if you are a laid-back retard. Dont mind the dice, this game is not about luck. Its like a fist-fight on your local pub. The aggressive guy always win, and the nice guy get knocked out because he dont punch back. This lesson dont come for free, so you better applaud me 3 times a day this week. My goal is to reach 800 + karmas.
Adlertag, I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge. When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea. If I could, I would give you karma. Isn’t it the thought that counts?
must be something f¤#k1#% wrong with my PC, or this message board, since it freeze before I am finished typing. Butt OK, back to topic. As I said, always play aggressivly. Always attack if able. That is the only way to win. This is what I teach my students. You dont win if you are a laid-back retard. Dont mind the dice, this game is not about luck. Its like a fist-fight on your local pub. The aggressive guy always win, and the nice guy get knocked out because he dont punch back. This lesson dont come for free, so you better applaud me 3 times a day this week. My goal is to reach 800 + karmas.
@cannon:
Adlertag, I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge. When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea. If I could, I would give you karma. Isn’t it the thought that counts?
Well, “thought’s” and “wish’es” dont put food on your table, now do it ? You are just a kid, right ? Ask your dad how he pays the bills. I guess it is by hard working. Now you start posting like 10 each day and you can start applauding me before Christmas. That is better than just “thought’s”.
Oh noooo, that aint my idea, it was my buddy Frog that first come up with that strats, man
must be something f¤#k1#% wrong with my PC, or this message board, since it freeze before I am finished typing. Butt OK, back to topic. As I said, always play aggressivly. Always attack if able. That is the only way to win. This is what I teach my students. You dont win if you are a laid-back retard. Dont mind the dice, this game is not about luck. Its like a fist-fight on your local pub. The aggressive guy always win, and the nice guy get knocked out because he dont punch back. This lesson dont come for free, so you better applaud me 3 times a day this week. My goal is to reach 800 + karmas.
I totally agree with this. I think it’s been tempting for the allies to ‘consolidate’ round 1. Get pieces in position to start attrition by round 2. But you have to take the initiative against the axis ASAP. The red october strat is something worth trying I guess. Just one question though - although 3 subs get their first shots - they are all at ‘1’. Surely the Italian fleet can absorb 1 hit (with the battleship) and then rolls two 3’s and a 4.
Thereby sending the Russian subs to the bottom?
If this is coupled with Germany hitting Egypt hard Rnd 1 and eliminating the UK forces there…
Of course I realise as I write this you would submerge subs as soon as the Italians attacked! However - even with three 2’s on the Russian counter attack (round 2) the Battleship could absorb 1 hit…
I see the red october presents a challenge to the Italians - but it maybe worth going the whole hog and buy 4 subs and 2 inf for Russia round 1… That would pin the Italians down for a turn…
Adler - do you play on the forums? Do you have any games (or know of any) where this tactic was used successfully?
The odds of the “Red October” strategy working (which i define as Russians sinking the Italian transport) breaks down as follows
1941
Russians with 3 subs - 15%
Russians with 4 subs - 42%
1941 (with 1st round Italian purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs - 2%
Russians with 4 subs - 11%
1942
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 39%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 49%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 80%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 70%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 78%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 94%
1942 (with German destroyer defending Italians or Italian 1st Round purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 13%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 17%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 49%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 35%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 46%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 75%
1942 (with German destroyer defending Italians & Italian 1st round purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 3%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 4%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 23%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 13%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 19%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 49%
To sum it up, the “Red October” strategy is only viable in 1942 and only if
Chance of sucess if all these conditions are met: 75% with 2.41 Russian units left.
I’ll start working hard sir!!!
Who’s frog.
@cannon:
Adlertag, I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge. When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea. If I could, I would give you karma. Isn’t it the thought that counts?
Well, “thought’s” and “wish’es” dont put food on your table, now do it ? You are just a kid, right ? Ask your dad how he pays the bills. I guess it is by hard working. Now you start posting like 10 each day and you can start applauding me before Christmas. That is better than just “thought’s”.
Oh noooo, that aint my idea, it was my buddy Frog that first come up with that strats, man
Excellent statistical breakdown! But it wasn’t required to tell Aldertag, that hia Russian Naval strategy was completely obtuse and ludicrous.
What a poor strategy to be the focua of attention in the “Tips and Tricks” thread.
I’d rather build an IC in Australia and spend all UK Ipc’s on Battleships. You are just as likely to suceed. Your goal obviously being, to see your opponents jaw drop and hit the floor, before they cackle in amusement at such a poor endeavour.
You didnt get the big picture, now did you ? AA&A is teamwork, and the russian subs dont need to kill the italian fleet just soft it up before the UK bomber come, and if the UK bomber miss, then the US bomber will follow up, man
Who is Frog ? Well Frog is my buddy.
You are forgetting that if any Italian navy survive it will be a battleship. 1 Bomber attacking 1 battleship only has 18% chance of sinking the battleship and only a 6% chance of survival. 2 bomber against a battleship have a 70% chance of destroying the battleship. 3 bombers have a 99% chance of destroying the battleship. So by your line of thinking UK should be required to purchase at least one bomber in conjunction with the russian sub build in order to achieve near definite success.
@!ACHTUNG!:
Does anyone have any proven unorthodox strategies they want to share?
As Ameica:
If you have some US fleet thing going on in the South Pacific and Japan has all of her navy focused there to counter it: Start saving as many IPC’s a turn that you can for as long as you think you can, build 1 or 2 inf on WUSA a turn (hopefully you ae doing this anyway), field a new navy with transports on the WUSA and bring it to the N. Pacific. This can screw Japan royally. This can rarely be done, but it is something to be aware of.
In 1941 if the UK are lucky enough to survive Germany’s Atlantic attacks with a transport - I would focus on Italy with the UK. Gibraltar is the allied key to the med. Reinforce it and fly your anti-shipping missions from it. With 1 inf, 1 tank, and 2 fighters it’s tempting for the Italians to attack - but will probably survive and will have brought their navy within Allied striking range.
In this situation - I can actually imagine 2/3 Russian subs being really useful.
How would the odds fall with 3 subs 1 bomber?
You are forgetting that if …… has 18% chance of sinking … only a 6% chance …have a 70% chance of destroying …So by your line of thinking …to achieve near definite success.
No sir, I aint forgetting that if. As a top ladder player, my line of thinking is, the Allies can afford poor battles in the first turns, because they have higher income than the Axis. Russia can afford losing 3 subs and a fighter and UK can afford losing two bombers in turn 1. Butt Italy can not afford losing the whole fleet in turn 1, because then Italy can never conquer Africa. Now if you play safe as the Allies and only take battles with 90 % chance of success, then you will for sure lose the game. AA50 is not like Classic. You just might be a good Axis player with your attitude, butt I guess you lose a lot of games as the Allies, now am I right ?
What a poor strategy to be the focus of attention in the “Tips and Tricks” thread.
Here we go, you just got yourself one more smite. My grand strategy this week will be to smite you tree times a day.
How would the odds fall with 3 subs 1 bomber?
Now that was a depravity line of thinking. Imagine Eisenhower abort D-day 1944 because the odds was not good enough. We would all be speaking german now. If you want to win games, you need to strenghten your fighting spirit and breed more aggression. Peacekeepers dont win wars, you know that, now do you ? Butt enough talk. Now you better gimme a + karma and help me reach the magic 800 before Frog.
