1914 TGC (Central Powers) vs Kwas (Entente) - no bid


  • @kwaspek104 said in 1914 TGC (Central Powers) vs Kwas (Entente) - no bid:

    Also, let me know if you’re going to do unrestricted submarine warfare since Americans are in war now?

    Unrestricted submarine warfare is not conditional on the USA being at war. Also, there are no Central Powers submarines anywhere near the relevant sea zones. That rule is truly peculiar to me. I can’t even hypothesize what it’s real “game affect” is. If you have any ideas do please let me know. I’m at a complete loss. I’ll go as far to say it feels like sloppy game design.


  • @kwaspek104 said in 1914 TGC (Central Powers) vs Kwas (Entente) - no bid:

    @The_Good_Captain can you check if I applied casualties correctly?

    Immaculate.


  • @the_good_captain Why do you feel this way exactly? I just saw it as this game’s SBR (that’s exclusive to Germany and I guess it’s supposed to emulate what they did in the actual war.)


  • @kwaspek104 I feel strongly its not practical as a game mechanic. The Entente have overwhelming naval superiority. The CP will most likely never utilized this rule.


  • @kwaspek104 further, there’s no threat of the rule’s utilization. London being captured is far more interesting than unrestricted submarine warfare (imo).


  • @the_good_captain It’s always used against both the US and England? Not just one or the other? Or does Germany choose the player he’s attacking? Rules are kinda vague…


  • @kwaspek104 both, yes - but if Germany moves a sub into one of those sea zones, France first has an opportunity to potentially clear it out. If they couldn’t do it for some reason, the UK then gets a chance to clear it out. As long as either power does so before the UK Collect Income phase of Britains turn, there is no roll for loss of IPC. Even if there was, its such a flimsy payout. The Germans roll one die per SUBMARINE (not other warships) and only on a 1 or 2 is there a loss of a single IPC. It’s enough to make a cat laugh…


  • @The_Good_Captain can you check casualties again? Unless I’m missing something, I don’t know why they removed the fighters before the infantry for the Germans…

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - French
            Condition TankProductionFrench: French has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            French buy 8 infantry and 2 tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - French
            4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 19 infantry moved from Switzerland to Munich
            4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Ruhr to Munich
            2 infantry moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 artillery moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            3 infantry moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Burgundy to Switzerland
            1 infantry moved from Tuscany to Venice
    
        Combat - French
            French creates battle in territory Alsace
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by French from Alsace: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Battle in Tyrolia
                French attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry
                AustroHungarians defend with 1 infantry
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Tyrolia, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                    AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tyrolia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Tyrolia
                French win, taking Tyrolia from AustroHungarians with 1 artillery and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry
            Air Battle in Munich
                French attacks with 3 units heading to Munich
                Germans launches 5 interceptors out of Munich
                    Attackers Fire,  : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Defenders Fire,  : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    3 fighters owned by the French lost in Munich
                Air Battle is over, the attackers have all died
            Battle in Munich
                French attack with 8 artilleries and 20 infantry
                Germans defend with 13 artilleries, 5 fighters and 19 infantry
                    French roll dice for 8 artilleries and 20 infantry in Munich, round 2 : 13/28 hits, 12.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 13 artilleries, 5 fighters and 19 infantry in Munich, round 2 : 23/37 hits, 19.83 expected hits
                    20 infantry owned by the French and 3 artilleries owned by the French lost in Munich
                    9 infantry owned by the Germans and 4 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Munich
                Germans and French reach a stalemate
                . Battle score for attacker is -21
                Casualties for French: 3 artilleries and 20 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 4 fighters and 9 infantry
            Battle in Alsace
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - French
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Alsace: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Munich: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by French from Munich: 3 artilleries
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Munich: 4 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Munich: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 fighters and 8 infantry moved from Paris to Burgundy
            2 fighters moved from Burgundy to Switzerland
    
        Place Units - French
            8 infantry and 2 tanks placed in Paris
    
        Turn Complete - French
            French collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : 2.67
    Defenders Fire,  : 1.33
    Attackers Fire,  : -1.00
    Germans regular : 3.17
    AustroHungarians regular : -0.50
    

  • @The_Good_Captain same for this one, casualty selection. My problem is I spam the space bar too much lol.

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - British
            Condition TankProductionBritish: British has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            British buy 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from India to SZ 29
            1 transport moved from SZ 27 to SZ 29
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 29 to SZ 27
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 27 to SZ 28
            2 infantry moved from SZ 28 to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from India to SZ 29
            1 infantry moved from Persia to SZ 29
            2 infantry moved from SZ 29 to Arabia
            2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Syrian Desert
            2 infantry moved from Persia to Mesopotamia
            1 infantry moved from Belgium to Alsace
            1 infantry moved from Belgium to Alsace
            1 artillery moved from Belgium to Alsace
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 fighter moved from London to SZ 9
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 fighter moved from London to SZ 9
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 artillery moved from London to SZ 9
            2 infantry moved from SZ 9 to Belgium
            2 fighters moved from SZ 9 to Belgium
            1 infantry moved from SZ 9 to Belgium
            1 artillery moved from SZ 9 to Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Yorkshire to London
            1 infantry moved from Belgium to Ruhr
    
        Combat - British
            Air Battle in Syrian Desert
                British attacks with 1 units heading to Syrian Desert
                Ottomans launches 2 interceptors out of Syrian Desert
                    Attackers Fire,  : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Defenders Fire,  : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in Syrian Desert
                Air Battle is over, the attackers have all died
            Battle in Syrian Desert
                British attack with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry
                Ottomans defend with 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 7 infantry
                    British roll dice for 2 artilleries and 9 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                    Ottomans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 fighters and 7 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 6/13 hits, 6.83 expected hits
                    6 infantry owned by the British lost in Syrian Desert
                    3 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 1 fighter owned by the Ottomans lost in Syrian Desert
                Ottomans and British reach a stalemate
                . Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for British: 6 infantry
                Casualties for Ottomans: 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Battle in Alsace
                British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry; French loiter and taunt
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Alsace
                British win, taking Alsace from Germans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Ruhr: 1 artillery and 9 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Munich: 1 artillery and 9 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Ottomans from Syrian Desert: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Ottomans to Syrian Desert: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Place Units - British
            1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tank placed in London
            1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in India
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 39 PUs; end with 40 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Defenders Fire,  : 0.33
    Attackers Fire,  : -0.33
    Germans regular : -0.50
    Ottomans regular : -0.83
    British regular : -0.67
    

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  • Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - French
            Condition TankProductionFrench: French has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            French buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - French
            4 artilleries and 19 infantry moved from Switzerland to Alsace
            2 fighters moved from Switzerland to Venice
            1 fighter moved from Ruhr to Lorraine
            2 fighters moved from Paris to Lorraine
            4 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Ruhr to Alsace
            1 infantry moved from Venice to Switzerland
            1 infantry moved from Tuscany to Venice
            1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Burgundy to Piedmont
            8 infantry moved from Paris to Picardy
    
        Combat - French
            Battle in Alsace
                French attack with 8 artilleries and 21 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    French roll dice for 8 artilleries and 21 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 17/29 hits, 12.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Alsace
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Alsace
                French win, taking Alsace from Germans with 8 artilleries and 20 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - French
    
        Place Units - French
            1 artillery, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tank placed in Paris
    
        Turn Complete - French
            French collect 39 PUs; end with 41 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : 4.67
    Germans regular : 0.50
    

  • ok, I think this turn was quite better lol. b4.tsvg

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - British
            Condition TankProductionBritish: British has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            British buy 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from India to SZ 29
            1 infantry moved from India to SZ 29
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 29 to SZ 28
            2 infantry moved from SZ 28 to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Mesopotamia to Persia
            2 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Arabia
            1 infantry moved from Persia to Mesopotamia
            1 transport moved from SZ 27 to SZ 29
            1 infantry moved from Persia to Sevastopol
            1 infantry moved from India to Afghanistan
            1 infantry moved from Persia to SZ 29
            1 infantry moved from SZ 29 to Arabia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Ruhr to Alsace
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Belgium to Alsace
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 artillery moved from London to SZ 9
            1 fighter moved from London to SZ 9
            1 fighter moved from London to SZ 9
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 infantry moved from London to SZ 9
            1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry moved from SZ 9 to Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Yorkshire to London
    
        Combat Move - British
    
        Place Units - British
            1 fighter placed in India
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in London
            1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in India
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @The_Good_Captain forgot to @ you


  • @kwaspek104 can you post the UK turn?


  • @kwaspek104 ignore my comment, got it


  • @kwaspek104

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Manchuria to China
            2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to China
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to China
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to China
            1 fighter moved from Japan to China
            1 bomber moved from Japan to China
    
        Combat - Japanese
            Battle in China
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 6 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 6 infantry in China, round 2 : 2/10 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in China, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in China
                    2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in China
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry in China, round 3 : 4/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter in China, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in China
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in China
                Japanese win, taking China from Americans with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from China to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Japan Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 carrier moved from Caroline Islands Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from Japan Sea Zone to Okinawa Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to Okinawa Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Okinawa Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Philippines to Philippines Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Philippines Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria
    
        Place Units - Japanese
            3 transports placed in Japan Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 27 PUs; end with 28 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Americans regular : 0.00
    Japanese regular : -0.17
    

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  • I think you posted this to the wrong thread? lmao @The_Good_Captain


  • @kwaspek104

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - Ottomans
            Condition TankProductionOttomans: Ottomans has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            Ottomans buy 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Ottomans
    
        Combat Move - Ottomans
            3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syrian Desert
            1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Smyrna
            2 infantry moved from Smyrna to Syrian Desert
            1 artillery moved from Syrian Desert to Smyrna
            1 artillery moved from Smyrna to Constantinople
            2 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna
    
        Place Units - Ottomans
            1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tank placed in Constantinople
    
        Turn Complete - Ottomans
            Ottomans collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs
    

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  • Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - Italians
            Condition TankProductionItalians: Italians has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            Italians buy 1 artillery and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 transport moved from SZ 28 to SZ 17
            1 battleship moved from SZ 28 to SZ 17
            1 cruiser moved from SZ 28 to SZ 17
            1 infantry moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 infantry moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 infantry moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 artillery moved from Venice to Tyrolia
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Tuscany to Venice
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Rome to Tuscany
            1 infantry moved from Arabia to Trans-Jordan
                  Italians take Trans-Jordan from Ottomans
    
        Combat - Italians
            Battle in Tyrolia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                AustroHungarians defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Tyrolia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tyrolia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tyrolia
                    1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Tyrolia
                Italians win, taking Tyrolia from AustroHungarians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry
    
        Combat Move - Italians
    
        Place Units - Italians
            1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Rome
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 20 PUs; end with 21 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Italians regular : -0.67
    AustroHungarians regular : 0.50
    

    i4.tsvg


  • Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Puchase Units - Americans
            Condition TankProductionAmericans: Americans has their production frontier changed to: lateWarProduction
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            Trigger AmericansRemoveRestrictions: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for AustroHungarians and Americans from Neutral to War
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutral to Allied
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutral to War
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for French and Americans from Neutral to Allied
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutral to Allied
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Ottomans and Americans from Neutral to War
            Trigger AmericansJoinWar: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutral to Allied
            1 artillery moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            1 fighter moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            1 artillery moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            1 fighter moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            1 artillery moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            6 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            1 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1
            3 artilleries, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 7 infantry and 6 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 7
    
        Combat Move - Americans
    
        Place Units - Americans
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in United States of America
            2 transports placed in SZ 1
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary : us5.tsvg


  • @The_Good_Captain I feel bad for the sucker who plays America in an 8 player game…(if there’s no Russian Revolution rule, of course)

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