@Krieghund Thanks again for all your fast replies. And seems I am getting most issues right.
Having said that: being VERY far removed from your level of (tacit) knowledge of all things A&A among some of the guys (sorry no ladies unfortunately) that I play with I am known as ‘the guy that is looking for rules issues and strange/improbably combinations of rules…’ - and in this case: cards :)
The Chainsaw Tank, kept forgetting to use it…
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not trying to start an argument here but how is A&AZ a slap to the face of WWII veterans?
the very nature of this game is a slap to the face.
lives are not valued and neither is the sacrifice they made.
people just buy more infantry to reinforce territories with n regard to cost in lives.
also, the whole game is set up to be a game not a recreation of the actual war.
it is set up to be fun, which it is, instead of factual.
A wargame is more in keeping with the recreation of events and portraying of sacrifices of the war.
set troops, representing actual combatants, and terrain/weather/logistics/etc do more to convey the difficulties faced and outcome achieved.
I’m just curious how A&A is supposed to represent this when it is so/too abstracted?
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turning matters of life and death into an amusing board game is super-respectful of veterans because the people who like wargames are interested in war, veterans, and things that have to do with war, in general
turning matters of life and death and death and more death into an amusing and fanciful game is super-DISRESPECTFUL of veterans because people who like wargames like a false sense of realism regarding wargames and when anything remotely having to do with science fiction or fantasy is migrated into a vanilla, “realistic” wargame they go bonkers and rip the board in half and basically hulk out.
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ok, so I guess it comes down to :
is A&A a wargame or a sci-fi/fantasy?
I put it in the fantasy category as you buy whatever you need and plop it down. Wargames generally limit you to whatever was available/could be produced at the time. Also take into account there is no real time scale in A&A.
Realistically, no country could “buy” what most people do in a turn. (except Russia and its infantry) :-D
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Disregard those who claim Zombies insults vets, it’s such an illogical argument. Because in order for that statement to be logical, then you have to claim all actions of Axis and Allies is there for accurate and factual which G40 being the most accurate version of WWII has a $hit tons of inaccurate facts starting with the complete disregard of a Soviet Pacific Fleet. Are we then going to accuse anyone who plays Germany as being pro Hitler? And if not, why? See the point. People like that need to grow up.
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If WOTC had not gone cheap on us, and made a Chainsaw Tank plastic unit, then nobody would forget to use it.
Has anybody here tried to produce a game? Game pieces? Or even run a business?
I think a chainsaw tank mini is an awesome idea but there are tradeoffs. Yes, you and I would pay extra but there are a bunch of die hard A&A a-holes (sorry guys but the haters are acting like jerks) who are not even going to buy one copy. If you price it too high, then newcomers to A&A won’t buy and then you guarantee a flop.
Chainsaw tanks is a great opportunity for the community to create and sell their own. I’ll be ready to buy one from Combat Miniatures should they chose to make one, hint hint.
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Has anybody here tried to produce a game? Game pieces? Or even run a business?
I think a chainsaw tank mini is an awesome idea but there are tradeoffs. Yes, you and I would pay extra but there are a bunch of die hard A&A a-holes (sorry guys but the haters are acting like jerks) who are not even going to buy one copy. If you price it too high, then newcomers to A&A won’t buy and then you guarantee a flop.
Chainsaw tanks is a great opportunity for the community to create and sell their own. I’ll be ready to buy one from Combat Miniatures should they chose to make one, hint hint.
I belive you missed my point. A lot of the A&A fans are piece junkies, they would purchase any A&A game if it has new pieces that can be fairly used in their customized games. You can make a simple game with F4F fighter for the p38, or a Tiger tank, or a Hood battleship, and people would buy that game just for the new pieces. I figure that a Chainsaw Tank could be used to clear minefields or that kind of thing in a non-zombie game. I know that this plastic pieces cost from less to nothing, so I figure that WOTC could have made good money if they had a better understanding of the motivation of the piece junkies that spend a lot of money on this games. I belive it is poor business policy to target a game like this to a narrow audience, when it could reach all the A&A community just by including some Panzer IV sculpts, or a Mustang fighter for US. Dont confuse this with negativity, it is ment to be a rational advice.
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The techs in AAZ aren’t team specific, so you’d have to make the tank in 5 colors, for the rare situation it came up.
I agree about the deadnapper convoys–no longer to you need to create your own infantry (future zombie brigade), you can just grab the ones that the game creates and land them all over the place.
The techs mostly “reskin” all of one team’s units of one type so to make custom pieces in one color would cause a lot of confusion. However, a full new ($100?) set of minis for all the teams with 10 copies of custom tanks, infantry transports etc. will no doubt be offered by Christmas.
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The techs mostly “reskin” all of one team’s units of one type so to make custom pieces in one color would cause a lot of confusion.  However, a full new ($100?) set of minis for all the teams with 10 copies of custom tanks, infantry transports etc. will no doubt be offered by Christmas.
WOTC could make Expansion Packs like they did with the Minis, and make lots of money, I bet the A&A community would love it
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I belive you missed my point. A lot of the A&A fans are piece junkies, they would purchase any A&A game if it has new pieces that can be fairly used in their customized games. You can make a simple game with F4F fighter for the p38, or a Tiger tank, or a Hood battleship, and people would buy that game just for the new pieces. I figure that a Chainsaw Tank could be used to clear minefields or that kind of thing in a non-zombie game. I know that this plastic pieces cost from less to nothing, so I figure that WOTC could have made good money if they had a better understanding of the motivation of the piece junkies that spend a lot of money on this games. I believe it is poor business policy to target a game like this to a narrow audience, when it could reach all the A&A community just by including some Panzer IV sculpts, or a Mustang fighter for US. Dont confuse this with negativity, it is ment to be a rational advice.
Fair enough, you believe it was a lost opportunity. However, I would argue that larger community of board gamers is larger than our community of A&A players. Thus, you need to make the game more accessible to the masses. Therefore, make sure the game isn’t more expensive than Catan. Both Catan and AAZ are about $40.
Accessories for Axis & Allies has never happened in the past but who knows what the future holds. This game is getting SO much press. Geek and Sundry did a nearly 3 hours video playing it.
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@djensen Just joined the group so I don’t know if anyone knows, but GHQ sell 1/285th sherman with Crab mine flail, which would work nicely for a chainsaw tank I think.
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Maybe custom roundel under the unit as a reminder, or better yet a 3D printed model.
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If there ever will be a remake / re-issue of AAZ I really hope they will at least include some counters for special units.
Maybe limit these ‘special abilities’ to certain units.Then again. The game as it is now plays rather simple when it comes to technologies and special abilities…
BTW: AAZ was one of the options for a re-issue by Renegade Game Studios. The other three being the ‘Theatre / Battles Games’ (D-Day / Bulge / Guadacanal):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/axisandalliescommunity/posts/908237607137027/
The last one was eventually picked.
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Since I don’t use the green chips throwing a green chip under a special unit is a good reminder of the technology, definitely helped us remember after too many beers.
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