Heavy Bombers - House Rule

  • Customizer

    So basically you want:

    SBR = LHTR, roll 2 dice, pick better, add one
    Normal Attacks = Attack at a 6 (ie: always hit)

    I would totally support this, and I think it is a superior modification of LHTR


  • what about up the prices to 20 for Heavy bombers, the price increase when you get it. Also existing bombers needs to be outfittet with the new tech for lets say 5ipc a piece.


  • ok, I got it.

    I didn’t realize you were modifying all nations abilities.

    Another possibility is to keep bombers at the price of 12 but you could pay each time a bomber wanted to use their extra hit (say 3 IPC’s).  You won’t have to worry about an extra marker for super bombers.

    Just pay 3 IPC’s for each usage of the extra die roll you wish to inflict (combat or SBR) purchase during the purchase units phase.


  • Using the optional escort rule puts a damper on the SBRs in this game.
    I highly recommend playing with it.

    However that does not solve the “bombers rule the sea” issue.


  • @Pin:

    what about up the prices to 20 for Heavy bombers, the price increase when you get it. Also existing bombers needs to be outfittet with the new tech for lets say 5ipc a piece.

    I agree.  If one insists on using a house rule due to percieving something as a bit too strong/weak, I think “paying for how much it is worth” is the smartest, most logical, and easiest option. It may take a few experiments to figure out a “just price”, but I certainly think altering price should be seen as the ideal.


  • I too agree that HB can totally win a game.  However, I have also played games where my opponent spend a fortune trying to get HB but ended up with all the others first.  That is a lot of lost money on tech when you were really trying for one only.

    I like tech because it changes the game every time.  It brings a freshness to every battle.  My buddy got paratroopers for Russia and utilized it to the fullest.  Really changed the way the Axis played their game.

    If anyone has actually found a really good way (game played already) to limit the impact of HB I would still like to hear it.  I may just impose the same rules.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @axis_roll:

    Using the optional escort rule puts a damper on the SBRs in this game.
    I highly recommend playing with it.

    However that does not solve the “bombers rule the sea” issue.

    That’s not so much an issue but a historical fact though.  It does put a crimp in many player’s naval games, but many players don’t know how to build a fleet anyway.

    20 IPC for a bomber, period, would be fine for me.  Maybe even require an AA Gun hit twice to kill it like a battleship. (First hit turns it back so it does no damage at all, second one shoots it down.)


  • I don’t like the idea of increasing prices for earning a tech. Rolling two (or even three) and then picking the best sigle result pretty much guarantees the same results as your original idea without the “auto hit” statement that can appear somewhat cheesy to your opponent (not nearly as cheesy as the way it is now or especially in classic though).
    That being saind, I think HB is in there to be the playable equivalent of nukes and a way to move the game to conclusion quicker.


  • @Cmdr:

    thinking of limiting Heavy Bombers so that they only do the better of two dice for strategic bombing runs and changing their attack so that a heavy bomber does not roll two attacks a round in normal battle, instead, they automatically “hit” each round they survive when attacking (applies to both naval and ground combat.)

    hmmm personally I’d lean toward pushing the Heavies into a strategic role. So keep the 2d6 for SBR but no ground combat advantage over normal / medium bombers.

    No Arc Light missions.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I wasn’t talking about raising the price if you get heavy bombers, I was talking about raising the price period.

    Here we go:

    Bomber:
    Cost: 20 IPC
    Attack: 4
    Defend: 1
    Move: 6

    Heavy Bomber:
    Cost: 20 IPC
    Attack: 1 Automatic Hit
    Defend: 1
    SBR: 2@6 take best 1
    Move: 6

    In either case a single AA Gun hit turns your bomber back, a second hit shoots down your bomber. (Justifies the increased cost of the bomber, and the increased cost should limit the amount of bombers put on the board.)


  • @Cmdr:

    Cost: 20 IPC

    a single AA Gun hit turns your bomber back, a second hit shoots down your bomber. (Justifies the increased cost of the bomber, and the increased cost should limit the amount of bombers put on the board.)

    That is a very interesting idea with the AA gun, and could really push for radar research


  • @Cmdr:

    In either case a single AA Gun hit turns your bomber back, a second hit shoots down your bomber. (Justifies the increased cost of the bomber, and the increased cost should limit the amount of bombers put on the board.)

    So in essence they’re like the Battleships of the skies; possessing a two-hit capacity.

    That should really promote SBR as a low-risk role.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @allboxcars:

    @Cmdr:

    In either case a single AA Gun hit turns your bomber back, a second hit shoots down your bomber. (Justifies the increased cost of the bomber, and the increased cost should limit the amount of bombers put on the board.)

    So in essence they’re like the Battleships of the skies; possessing a two-hit capacity.

    That should really promote SBR as a low-risk role.

    Yes it would, but to counter that, you’re spending 20 IPC for a bomber now.  Max you can do in damage is 6 with each bomber.  So you’re looking at a 4 round minimum to recoup the loss of the bomber through SBR damage.  However, at the average dmg of 3.5 per bomber, and the 33.3% chance of a Radar Equipped AA Gun of at least making you retreat, it’s probably going to take MUCH longer!

    @critmonster:

    @Cmdr:

    Cost: 20 IPC

    a single AA Gun hit turns your bomber back, a second hit shoots down your bomber. (Justifies the increased cost of the bomber, and the increased cost should limit the amount of bombers put on the board.)

    That is a very interesting idea with the AA gun, and could really push for radar research

    Yea, that’s the idea.  They cost an arm and a leg, but it’s hard to lose them too.

  • '10

    @scampb:

    If anyone has actually found a really good way (game played already) to limit the impact of HB I would still like to hear it.  I may just impose the same rules.

    How about taking the average of the two rounding up for SBR???


  • I like the LHTR for HB, best of 2 dice for attack and best +1 for SBR. Sometimes we also do best of 2 for def. We have also allowed 2 dice for attack, but the 2nd dice hits on a 3 or less(50%). Should roll dice separately. You could also limit all bmrs to 2 rounds of battle. After they drop their bombs/torpedo’s they wouldn’t be hanging out anyway, they would be getting the hell out of dodge. As for cost maybe go back to $15, but $20 seems to high to me.

    Personally I love to shoot down bmrs with AA guns, so if I rolled a 1 and it just turned the SBR back instead of destroying it that would suck. I would however go for roll a 1 bmr destroyed, roll a 2 SBR canceled. Then you wouldn’t have to give them 2 hits in SBR. This would also be a good rule if you were not playing w/tech (radar).


  • Our 1939 World at war heavy bombers rules.

    HB = special units.
    Only UK and USA may produce HB. (Avro Lancaster & B29)

    Germany may produce HB as tech. dev.

    Cost = 18
    Att = 4 (two dice for each industrial bombing attack).
    Def = 2
    Move = 8

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