ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game

[crockett36]

Okay world, I talked with No Limit and together we came up with another tack at this fair wind. I’ve never used a bid this big and am excited, but also nervous. Ts game with AA did not go well despite a heavy Europe bid that had all sorts of recommendations. I sense there are several ways to approach this:

1. Fix oob set up.
2. counter Axis first round attacks
3. preserve Allied units
4. position troops for an offensive that would be out of the question in oob.
5. seed units that will make Axis end game strategies more difficult.

We have thought so far mostly about option 2. I have inkling of battered wife syndrome. Even when the game might be close to balanced, I’m still thinking in terms of just barely maybe hopefully squeezing out a victory.

Now I listened to T vs AA’s first 8 pages of conversation with a 50 bid while I delivered my stops today. And I conversed with No Limit. Here’s what we came up with:
Destroyer in 106.
sub in 98
sub in 81
destroyer in 62
artillery in Szechwan
infantry in Scotland
infantry in London
artillery in Alexandria
transport in 71
the rest infantry on the Eastern front.

Now let me argue with myself and No Limit.
Destroyer in 106. Will probably draw 3 subs and still be lost. At best this makes it 50;/50. If successful, this helps prevent Sea Lion.
sub in 98 Taranto is cheaper
sub in 81Taranto is cheaper. This helps prevent Sea Lion.
destroyer in 62. Playing as the better player, he probably won’t do this. How about a factory or just two infantry in Aus? Pac VC win prevent.
artillery in Szechwan. Help prevent victory city win in Pac.
infantry in Scotland. Sea Lion prevent.
infantry in London Sea Lion prevent.
artillery in Alexandria. help win Tobruk. Might counter Axis economic win.
transport in 71. Aids in taking Middle East and turning the ME from defensive strategy to assisting either Moscow or Calcutta.
the rest infantry on the Eastern front. Aids in the defense of Moscow. Ends up being 4 infantry and two artillery.

[crockett36]

@crockett36
My recommendation:
6 1 sub in 98
6 1 sub in 81
4 artillery in Szechwan
3 1 infantry in London
3 1 fighter in Scotland
3 1 infantry in Karelia
3 1 infantry in Vyborg
3 1 infantry in Novgorod
3 1 infantry in Yunnan
3 1 infantry in Belarus
3 1 infantry in Archangel
3 1 infantry in Kweichow
7 1 transport in 71
3 1 infantry in Queensland
3 1 infantry in NSWales
at 56

[crockett36]

change the Chinese units to artilleries except Yunnan. 58

[crockett36]

@crockett36
6 1 sub in 110 to submerge and then take down the Bismarck.’

[crockett36]

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent
6 1 sub in 81 economic prevent
4 1 artillery in Szechwan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent
3 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in Archangel Moscow prevent
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent
3 1 infantry in Queensland Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in NSWales Pac VC prevent
6 1 sub in 110 Sea Lion prevent
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent
1 ipc for Calcutta

Thoughts anyone?

[crockett36]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent
6 1 sub in 81 economic prevent
4 1 artillery in Szechwan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent
3 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent
3 1 infantry in Queensland Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in NSWales Pac VC prevent
6 1 sub in 110 Sea Lion prevent
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Archangel

I am so tired. My math is off. crockett out!

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

Sorry, I don’t have the map in front of me. Was there a starting unit in SZ81 that you were planning to add another sub into?

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris you are correct. Think about that tomorrow

[crockett36]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent 6
4 1 infantry in Szechwan Pac VC prevent 10
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent 13
10 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent 23
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent 26
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent 29
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent 32
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent 35
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent 39
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent 46
3 1 infantry in Shensi Pac VC prevent 49
3 1 artillery in Burma Pac VC prevent 53
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent 61
8 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Lion prevent & preserve units 69

To repeat, I am not venturing into the territory of a general preparing an invasion, but a defender shoring up his weak spots. Is that the right choice: China a quagmire, Russia just a little tougher, pinning those Finnish troops in place, The Bismarck not lasting past round one AND Taranto and perhaps making 111 more costly. Seems good to me. Without possibility of catastrophic failure.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent 26
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent 29
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent 32

looks like a more solid plan than the original idea.

[trulpen]

In OOB I like the idea of going for a Yunnan stack with the help of russian air. The reason is that there are no drawbacks to a DOW, as opposed to BM3.

fig Scotland (10)
fig Moscow (10)
fig Stalingrad (10)
inf Yunnan (3)
art Szechwan (4)
sub z98 (6)
sub z106 (6)
art Sudan (4)
tank Cairo (6)
sub z91 (6)
inf Alexandria (3)
1 IPC UK-EU

It’s possible to tweak this, like adding another inf to China or art to Siberia. I like however to boost the british navy, although Taranto might not be advisable. Taking out Ethiopia is usually sufficient to secure Cairo, especially with the other boosts.

Main idea is to RDOW1 (against J of course) and send in 3 fig, 1 tac to Yunnan immediately. This makes an attack there suicide. Not being able to contest Yunnan during J1 dissuades a JDOW1, but J instead needs to either focus on contesting China or circumvent it all together.

China will earn 6 extra IPC longer and also gets the option to build art. That’s heavy. This will have heavy consequences for J’s income for a long time and makes US prescence in the Pac more feasible.

Simply put, this strategy will help to take out J earlier, making US-investments in the Atlantic rational earlier.

[crockett36]

@trulpen I like that. I was wondering if the sub vs the destroyer in 91 really does the trick of saving the cruiser

[trulpen]

A des is better, if you can afford it, but I’d say the sub is sufficient to deter an attack with only 2 subs.

[crockett36]

check out this file people. I call it the Winston’s bulldog. Every territory and sea zone in the south got an extra unit. This would give the Brits more units than any other power. Just playing around.

[crockett36]

@crockett36 colonial monster.tsvg

[crockett36]

@crockett36

Let me beat on this for a minute. Gotta say, looks fantastic.

fig Scotland (10) preserves fleet in 111. Sea Lion prevent
fig Moscow (10) Can be used right away for Pac VC prevent. And possibly Moscow prevent.
fig Stalingrad (10) ditto above.
inf Yunnan (3) Pac VC prevent.
art Szechwan (4) Pac VC prevent. All of these are also preventing economic victory.
sub z98 (6) preserves Brit units by strengthening Taranto, effecting Italian economic expansion.
sub z106 (6) Still not convinced about this. If enemy doesn’t go for 111, this sz is going to be attacked by 3 subs. Could help prevent London.
art Sudan (4) economic prevent. Early settlement of the Africa question helps Moscow prevent or Pac VC prevent.
tank Cairo (6) see above regarding Africa.
sub z91 (6) Economic prevent if used against Italy. London prevent if used against Bismarck.
inf Alexandria (3) Should be an artillery I think. See above about early Africa.

Two options: I see. 1. Knock two artilleries down to infantry and buy a destroyer for 106. He’s got to use those subs. 2. an infantry in Gibraltar and an infantry in London. What do you think Trulpen?

[crockett36]

squash Japan.tsvg pure Pac VC prevent. Not serious, but cool. China gets three units, the US 4, Anzac 3 I think.

[trulpen]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:.

Two options: I see. 1. Knock two artilleries down to infantry and buy a destroyer for 106. He’s got to use those subs. 2. an infantry in Gibraltar and an infantry in London. What do you think Trulpen?

Actually, I’d exchange the tank for a mech instead, I think, and put the des in z91. However, there was 1 IPC left and then I’d exchange the chinese art for and inf. Think that’s actually better, since the plan is to get China art anyway and if J doesn’t crush Yunnan J1-3 they will build enough art on their own anyway.

The beauty of placing a sub in z106 is that G would have to go in with 3 subs in order to secure it, although 2 might still suffice, but it can dive if no enemy des are present. The subs left are then rather easily sunk on UK1 with the help of the bomber, cruiser and sub.

[trulpen]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

check out this file people. I call it the Winston’s bulldog. Every territory and sea zone in the south got an extra unit. This would give the Brits more units than any other power. Just playing around.

Haven’t looked, but what you mainly want is to have as much impact on the board as early as possible rather than a specific nation trumping number own units.

[crockett36]

@trulpen there is a way that seems right to a man but it only leads to death. The real question is: is the devil you don’t know worse than the devil you know.

We re all choosing to blunt the axis attack and enhance the British attacks. The simple fact is: we’ve been playing with those challenges for years. Drop 69 into Russia and Moscow will not fall turn 6 or 7 or 8. Sea lion will be a long that must be tried but will probably fail.

But I m on a team and committed to foiling g1j1