ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game

[crockett36]

@crockett36 an infantry in Gibraltar

[crockett36]

Btw let’s aim to have a firm bid by Saturday night.

[squirecam]

Its your game. But 3 planes to the eastern front doesnt necessarily force Germany into an economic strategy.

However, if you eliminate Italy (Taranto) and make a huge UK navy (Gibastion), you both deter sea lion and allow USA to build more in the pacific as UK doeent need any help right away. So you eliminate 2 conditions right there. So Axis is left with Moscow or Economic as you put it.

3 USSR fighter deters rush to moscow, but doesnt deter a Japan VC strategy UK still loses alot of navy and UK either kills its own in Taranto or lets IT fleet live.

JMHO.

[crockett36]

Let’s assume 30 is going to Russia and 39 to UK. Quick Success in Africa means midgame UKE support for Calcutta. Also Russian figs could also support Calcutta theoretically.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

Getting closer to a refined plan for the bid. Glad you are considering multiple options and working with your mentors.

[crockett36]

@squirecam so can we do Tarantino and sz92 for 39 ipcs.

[crockett36]

@crockett36 taranto

[crockett36]

@crockett36 sub 98, diver Malta, bomber in eygpt, sub 91. Artillery in Gibraltar?

[crockett36]

@squirecam Looks like it’s you and me. how about I give you 10 more for the Brits and only keep 20 for Russia. Say cut the sub from 91 and give UK an air base in Gib?

[crockett36]

@crockett36

Carrier 98 (16) Gib? Maybe not.
Tac Malta (11) Yes, Taranto=11
Fighter Scotland (10) maybe. preserve ships in 111. =21
Destroyer 111 (8) maybe not, I like saving these ships and it will almost certainly be effective, but these ships can’t make it to 92. And this battle occasionally goes poorly for the Germans. If we put it in 110 instead it makes this battle a little more difficult. And conveys the idea that I might scramble. This will bring more units into this sea zone.=29
Sub 91 (6) Maybe. Might preserve Cruiser, but a destroyer would be more effective.=37
Bomber Egypt (12) Yes, Taranto. though not helpful for defense of Moscow or Gibraltar. =49
Sub 106 (6) No, He’ll have to send two subs against this fleet. But he can since he’ll probably avoid 111. Odds and rewards are still in his favor.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@crockett36 probably easiest to put together a complete and specific bid list, and then ask for comments/suggestions.

[crockett36]

Okay world, I talked with No Limit and together we came up with another tack at this fair wind. I’ve never used a bid this big and am excited, but also nervous. Ts game with AA did not go well despite a heavy Europe bid that had all sorts of recommendations. I sense there are several ways to approach this:

1. Fix oob set up.
2. counter Axis first round attacks
3. preserve Allied units
4. position troops for an offensive that would be out of the question in oob.
5. seed units that will make Axis end game strategies more difficult.

We have thought so far mostly about option 2. I have inkling of battered wife syndrome. Even when the game might be close to balanced, I’m still thinking in terms of just barely maybe hopefully squeezing out a victory.

Now I listened to T vs AA’s first 8 pages of conversation with a 50 bid while I delivered my stops today. And I conversed with No Limit. Here’s what we came up with:
Destroyer in 106.
sub in 98
sub in 81
destroyer in 62
artillery in Szechwan
infantry in Scotland
infantry in London
artillery in Alexandria
transport in 71
the rest infantry on the Eastern front.

Now let me argue with myself and No Limit.
Destroyer in 106. Will probably draw 3 subs and still be lost. At best this makes it 50;/50. If successful, this helps prevent Sea Lion.
sub in 98 Taranto is cheaper
sub in 81Taranto is cheaper. This helps prevent Sea Lion.
destroyer in 62. Playing as the better player, he probably won’t do this. How about a factory or just two infantry in Aus? Pac VC win prevent.
artillery in Szechwan. Help prevent victory city win in Pac.
infantry in Scotland. Sea Lion prevent.
infantry in London Sea Lion prevent.
artillery in Alexandria. help win Tobruk. Might counter Axis economic win.
transport in 71. Aids in taking Middle East and turning the ME from defensive strategy to assisting either Moscow or Calcutta.
the rest infantry on the Eastern front. Aids in the defense of Moscow. Ends up being 4 infantry and two artillery.

[crockett36]

@crockett36
My recommendation:
6 1 sub in 98
6 1 sub in 81
4 artillery in Szechwan
3 1 infantry in London
3 1 fighter in Scotland
3 1 infantry in Karelia
3 1 infantry in Vyborg
3 1 infantry in Novgorod
3 1 infantry in Yunnan
3 1 infantry in Belarus
3 1 infantry in Archangel
3 1 infantry in Kweichow
7 1 transport in 71
3 1 infantry in Queensland
3 1 infantry in NSWales
at 56

[crockett36]

change the Chinese units to artilleries except Yunnan. 58

[crockett36]

@crockett36
6 1 sub in 110 to submerge and then take down the Bismarck.’

[crockett36]

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent
6 1 sub in 81 economic prevent
4 1 artillery in Szechwan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent
3 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in Archangel Moscow prevent
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent
3 1 infantry in Queensland Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in NSWales Pac VC prevent
6 1 sub in 110 Sea Lion prevent
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent
1 ipc for Calcutta

Thoughts anyone?

[crockett36]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent
6 1 sub in 81 economic prevent
4 1 artillery in Szechwan Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent
3 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent
3 1 infantry in Queensland Pac VC prevent
3 1 infantry in NSWales Pac VC prevent
6 1 sub in 110 Sea Lion prevent
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent
3 1 infantry in Archangel

I am so tired. My math is off. crockett out!

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

Sorry, I don’t have the map in front of me. Was there a starting unit in SZ81 that you were planning to add another sub into?

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris you are correct. Think about that tomorrow

[crockett36]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

6 1 sub in 98 economic prevent 6
4 1 infantry in Szechwan Pac VC prevent 10
3 1 infantry in London Sea Lion prevent 13
10 1 fighter in Scotland Sea Lion prevent 23
3 1 infantry in Karelia Moscow prevent 26
3 1 infantry in Vyborg Moscow prevent 29
3 1 infantry in Novgorod Moscow prevent 32
3 1 infantry in Yunnan Pac VC prevent 35
4 1 artillery in Kweichow Pac VC prevent 39
7 1 transport in 71 Economic prevent 46
3 1 infantry in Shensi Pac VC prevent 49
3 1 artillery in Burma Pac VC prevent 53
8 1 destroyer in 91 economic prevent or Sea Lion prevent 61
8 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Lion prevent & preserve units 69

To repeat, I am not venturing into the territory of a general preparing an invasion, but a defender shoring up his weak spots. Is that the right choice: China a quagmire, Russia just a little tougher, pinning those Finnish troops in place, The Bismarck not lasting past round one AND Taranto and perhaps making 111 more costly. Seems good to me. Without possibility of catastrophic failure.