L21 PtV: malmessi74 (axis +6) vs Nikola1975 (allies)

[nikola1975]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 carriers and 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans

    Combat - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from Davao to 31 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Davao to Manilla
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 11 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 11 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 11 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States

    Place Units - Americans
        2 destroyers placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 11 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 58 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese

    Combat - Chinese

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Tsinghai
        6 infantry moved from Szechwan to Tsinghai
        2 infantry moved from Hopei to Tsinghai
        2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Tsinghai
        3 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Tsinghai

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Tsinghai

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 99 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 99 Sea Zone
        1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 99 Sea Zone
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 fighter
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 fighter; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and 1 transport in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/5 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 bomber owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British retreated
            Italians win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -45
            Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
        Moving scrambled unit from 99 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
        Moving scrambled unit from 99 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy
        Moving scrambled unit from 99 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Southern Italy

    Non Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Malta
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 artillery moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 82 Sea Zone to Southern Persia
              British take Southern Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 destroyer moved from 73 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to 38 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra
              UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
        1 battleship moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Tanganyika Territory
        1 fighter moved from Burma to Eastern India
        2 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
        1 infantry moved from Western India to Eastern India
        1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec

    Place Units - British
        2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        British undo move 2.
        1 armour and 1 fighter placed in Union of South Africa
        1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Scotland: 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to United Kingdom: 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 112 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,3,4
        British collect 24 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 24 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 30 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 1.50
British regular : -2.50

Savegame

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 Disaster in the Adriatic! 6/6 misses vs 5/5 hits:face_with_rolling_eyes:

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975 said in L21 PtV: malmessi74 (axis +6) vs Nikola1975 (allies):

@malmessi74 Disaster in the Adriatic! 6/6 misses vs 5/5 hits:face_with_rolling_eyes:

That’s why I prefer LowLuck

[malmessi74]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Malta
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
              Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              Italians take Alexandria from British
        1 armour moved from Alexandria to Tobruk

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

Scramble from Malta ?
O O L (bmb or inf after Aa ?)

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 No scramble. AA first, then bomber.

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

Sorry, played MALTA battle twice, firsa time was not sure about answering YES to “naval bombardment request” but second time I was 100% sure I said YES but… no way to get the fundamental naval support… Why ?

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 I am not sure what you are asking me 😊

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

I play the MALTA BATTLE, answer YES to the question “Do you want tu naval bombard?” and then TripleA doesn’t roll dice for bb/cruis

[malmessi74]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Malta
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
              Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              Italians take Alexandria from British
        1 armour moved from Alexandria to Tobruk

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Malta
            Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British roll AA dice in Malta : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Malta, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 bomber owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Malta, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in Malta, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Malta, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in Malta, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Malta
            Italians win, taking Malta from British with 2 artilleries and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Malta to Southern Italy
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Albania
        1 artillery moved from Libya to Tobruk
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Italians
        1 transport placed in 99 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2
        Italians collect 13 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,67
British AA : -0,17
Neutral_Allies regular : -1,00
British regular : -1,00

Savegame

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

Played a 3rd time and was very lucky but also, I did not roll for 1 bb and 2 cruis so the final result is almost realistic…

Look at SHOW HISTORY and you’ll see no naval bombardment was played… Strange, 1st time it happens to me

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 Hm what were dice results for a first play? Do you think it ia fair to play it three times?

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

No it is not fair but even tripleA was not fair skipping my nav bomb. I played it many times while attacking GRE, breve happened. I was asking you what to do.
Two 3 and one 4 missing for me, dunno why…

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 Well, I am looking into the first play-through you did on Malta (MARTI dice). I can’t see whether you have chosen a bombardment, but what I can see is that dice was extremely better for allies then in your re-repeated third play.

I don’t understand this, especially after the worst possible dice I had with British on Taranto attack. 6 out of 6 misses for me and 5 out 5 hits for you. It literally can not be worse.

And in next turn, you do this? And even come back to say that you were very lucky :)

I am not sure if this is funny, strange or something that should piss me off. I understand you have said you don’t like dice and prefer low luck, but with starting this game, you should accept the rules.

If you wish to continue the fair game, I hope you have a save after your first dice, or you can edit the result back.

Let me know what you wish to do.

[nikola1975]

@nikola1975 And no, I don’t understand what happened to your bombardments.

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975

I do not pretend to use my 3rd try as a final result. It was just to upload a map and let you see the Show History. We can do one of the following:

1 simulate 100 battles with batt calc INCLUDING naval support and then edit the battle result to something regular.

2 if tripleA still gives me no naval support, I prefer to play a different ita turn. Your planes in Malta are an easy target but only of I can count on mg cruis/bb support.

I think the are both good and reasonable options, per me know

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 This would still not take into account your poor dice first time when you ran the game. And that is a way to play, not run dice 100 times. UK vs ITA naval battle in Adriatic would not come out the way it did if we ran 100 times.

I think we should revert to your first dice results.

[malmessi74]

@nikola1975 said in L21 PtV: malmessi74 (axis +6) vs Nikola1975 (allies):

I think we should revert to your first dice results.
Ok, but what about my 2 cruis and 1 bb ? maybe 3 extra hits for me if TripleA was allowing me to roll what expected…
This is not a question of LowLuck or bad luck, I played a battle counting on two 3 and ine 4 and they disappeared from the battle…

[nikola1975]

@malmessi74 I don’t know what happened, I haven’t seen anything similar so far. Maybe you did not answer YES on that question?

[nikola1975]

@nikola1975 Can we recover the results? You can then make a suggestion, adding three hits from 3 bombardments obviously does not pass the math :)