Enjoyed that, thanks.
Star Wars Quirks
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Clerks was a great movie!
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I never understood why the rebels were fighting back
All the Empire wanted was peace and stability, I think they had a good program.
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Well i guess you can view the rebels as the 13 colonies and the Empire as Britain in 1776. Of course the Empire were the good guys because after all they had Darth Vader who did only good things for the galaxy.
The Death Star was a futuristic enforcer of peace in the galaxy. Just think of what England would have become if it had the colonies to exploit for the next 200 years. Talk about no more war.
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@Imperious:
Of course the Empire were the good guys because after all they had Darth Vader who did only good things for the galaxy.
Percisly
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I’d agree with this especially the part about being consistent. But when the universe isn’t that well thought out or takes on a bit of a life of its own it is almost inevitable that ‘quirks’ will pop up.
I really can’t be lenient with Lucas at all. He got fat and lazy with licensing agreements to other authors writing backstories and such, he catered Episode I more toward kids than the original fans, the comic relief looked forced, and he had over a decade to smooth over continuity issues and pump out a good story but what he came up with was woefully inadequate.
The fact is, he mailed it in. For all 3 episodes. Case in point. He even had to resort to filler scenes like the pod races just to make the movie long enough. If you took the pod racing scene out of the movie it wouldn’t have affected the plot one bit. Even the Han and Leia romance evolved during the thick of the action but he had to waste our time with cheesball love scenes between Anakin and Amidala.
I mean, Leia KNEW her mother for Christ’s sake. She remembered her but Luke didn’t. That right there suggests that not only were they probably NOT twins but that Amidala also DIDN’T die in childbirth. How do you ignore such a golden opportunity to flesh out Anakins decline yet so blantantly diverge from a concrete storyline and not piss off the diehard fans?
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Yeah, it wasn’t well thought out. He should have written it all as one story all at once and then divided it up for movie purposes instead of doing it one movie at a time. Having new badguys every movie and stuff just wastes time b/c you have to introduce them and then of course he had to do double the work with Anakin b/c the first movie was set with him at 10 then you jump 10 yrs until he is 20.
I also would have liked to see Anakin joining Obi-Wan on some idealistic foolish crusade that didn’t meet with Owens ideals. Instead we get Anakin leaving at the age of 10 and Owen isn’t even involved, and then 10 yrs later he’s already a Jedi and meets Owen and there is no connection to what Obi-Wan told Luke in Ep 4.
The Clone Wars was handled poorly too. That should have started in Ep 1 and Anakin should have joined up with Obi-Wan to fight. I think you could set it with Anakin at 16 yrs old (played by a slightly older actor for the sequels, so you could have one actor doing all 3 movies) but obviously extremely gifted with the force and as a pilot. Yoda thinks it is a bad idea to train him (too old) and tells Obi-Wan not to, but he ignores the advice still trains the young Anakin and they go off to fight in the war. End movie 1. The War is Movie 2. Movie 3 sees the end of the War and Anakins final decline.
The whole story is there in the first part of Ep 4 and the Yoda scenes from Ep5 and 6, but for some reason it was ignored. :|
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Wait, who’s Owen?
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Wait, who’s Owen?
Luke’s Uncle.
I think in Ep 4, there is something like this exchange between Luke and Obi-Wan:
Luke: No, my father didn’t fight in the clone wars, he was spice frieghter pilot…
Obi-Wan: That is what your uncle told you. He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals and said he shouldn’t get involved… -
George Lucus’s demand for comic relief in the Star Wars series always bothered me. His use of the droid army for laughs always got on my nerves. I want to see droids that are emotionless and ruthless.
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I want to see droids that are emotionless and ruthless.
Roger–Roger.
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@ABWorsham:
George Lucus’s demand for comic relief in the Star Wars series always bothered me. His use of the droid army for laughs always got on my nerves. I want to see droids that are emotionless and ruthless.
Yeah, honestly a droid army should be quite difficult to defeat. You’d actually HAVE to program them to act like idiots. If done correctly, they’d be more like a hive mind that could respond to everything you throw at them.
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@ABWorsham:
George Lucus’s demand for comic relief in the Star Wars series always bothered me. His use of the droid army for laughs always got on my nerves. I want to see droids that are emotionless and ruthless.
Whats wrong with a little comic relief?
Yeah, honestly a droid army should be quite difficult to defeat. You’d actually HAVE to program them to act like idiots. If done correctly, they’d be more like a hive mind that could respond to everything you throw at them.
I disagree that they would be super difficult to defeat beacause they wouldn’t be able to react as fast as humans or other beings. I mean sure is would be difficult. Their numbers alone would cause problems. But no computer would be able to compare to a humans will to survive and inginuity.
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I disagree that they would be super difficult to defeat beacause they wouldn’t be able to react as fast as humans or other beings. I mean sure is would be difficult. Their numbers alone would cause problems. But no computer would be able to compare to a humans will to survive and inginuity.
I’m talking about a hive mind here. Humans have no ability to communicate like that. Of course it would take some serious programming, but I see a networked droid army as being overwhelming and highly responsive.
Ingenuity, analytical ability, and cunning ideas have their own place. But a droid army that functions at its potential would be devastating. Not to mention that they would know no fear, depression, fatigue, etc.
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Yes, I agree the behavior of the droid armies is also seriously suspect. First off, they act like eight year olds walking through the forest, noticing things but not taking any kind of military posture. But if they were real, they would communicate at the speed of light, some of them working as sensors, some laying down defensive fire, and others manuvering or attacking. If they couldn’t neutralize a threat, they would just pull back a little and nuke the whole area. If they knocked out a few of their own, so what. We can make more.
Still, my biggest objection is that the force is wide open full contact all out combat. But in the later movies, it seems the force is not the fearsome weapon it was before.
I also think the defensive fire from the Death Star in Episode IV would have been much more effective.
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@ABWorsham:
George Lucus’s demand for comic relief in the Star Wars series always bothered me. His use of the droid army for laughs always got on my nerves. I want to see droids that are emotionless and ruthless.
Whats wrong with a little comic relief?
Yeah, honestly a droid army should be quite difficult to defeat. You’d actually HAVE to program them to act like idiots. If done correctly, they’d be more like a hive mind that could respond to everything you throw at them.
I disagree that they would be super difficult to defeat beacause they wouldn’t be able to react as fast as humans or other beings. I mean sure is would be difficult. Their numbers alone would cause problems. But no computer would be able to compare to a humans will to survive and inginuity.
I think there is better situations to find a place for comic relief than combat scenes. R2D2 is the savior in many situations in Star Wars, yet battle droids seem to play a misfit role.
Now a droid similar to Terminator would rock!
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@ABWorsham:
I think there is better situations to find a place for comic relief than combat scenes. R2D2 is the savior in many situations in Star Wars, yet battle droids seem to play a misfit role.
R2 was the little droid that could. 8-)
Now a droid similar to Terminator would rock!
Exactly! Instead we’ve got droids that are better at babysitting and gave C-3PO a run for his money on the “Totally Inept” title.
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I agree with the inconsistencies mentioned about the EP 1, 2, 3 vs. 4, 5 & 6. I think Lucas should have never bothered with the “Clone Wars” and did a trilogy on the “Knights of the Old Repulic” 1000 years or so before the first Death Star explosion instead. That way you start with all new caracters and the end plot is not already known and anti-climactic.
If you have ever read Darth Bane 1 and 2 you know what I am talking about. Imagine thousands of Sith fighting against thousands of Jedi, all in their prime, the battles would be glorious and the action would never stop. Also the way Bane deceives everyone, even his own kind, is true Sith tactics and he is the one who created “The Rule of Two”. That would be something to see. He was ever to make more SW movies that is where I would go.
The only other choicce is to get all the original cast members back and do a series after EP6, when aliens come from a different galaxy and invade. This would include Luke as the head of the New Jedi order, Lea and Han married, all their Jedi kids, etc.
EP1 to 3 are definitely good, mostly duer to effects and battles, but lack story and depth like the originals had. -
If you want a good story after the Ep. VI check out Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn Trilogy of books. Bloody good stuff that should have been filmed instead of the prequels.
The two Bane stories were okay.
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Thanks frimmel, I will see if I can locate them to check out. 8-)
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Thanks frimmel, I will see if I can locate them to check out. 8-)
Those books really establish the whole Extended Universe of Star Wars and pretty much any of the novels set after Ep. VI with Luke and company is established with those books. I know my local library has them and they are usually still available in the ‘Star Wars’ section of Walden’s and so on.
Frankly I think that whole section of those stores really owes its existence to the Zahn Books.
Careful with the Amazon link, the blurbs have spoilerish info.
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