We need an allied playbook.

[trulpen]

I agree with JDOWs sentiment.

However, a mIC in Iraq is usually a lot easier to hold than one in Persia. Doesn’t mean it can’t fall, but being closer to Cairo does make a huge difference in several ways.

Usually UK can’t really expend 9 IPC for production in SA during the first two turns. There are several more relevant investments, like a mIC in Cairo, eventually also an ab, an ab in Gibraltar and keeping London safe.

[taamvan]

@jdow @simon33

Yes, that is why Middle Earth is an interesting idea, but not necessarily a great strategy (as taped) because it just focuses on a southshuck in isolation.

And most people don’t even reply to the point JDOW is making because they don’t have enough experience to understand it, even though we’ve been saying it for years.

JDOW built the JDOWJ1DOW strategy that I’ve copied for years–and its something you keep in your playbook based on your read of the enemy strategy, but its a plan that allocates every unit move.

no plan survives first contact with the enemy -Moltke

Back to Simon33’s question–rewatching GHG’s video he takes Iraq and Persia on UK1, he can bring armor, cruiser shot, infantry, arty, the planes from India (which can land in syria with the rest of the taranto surviving planes). Thats a blowout if you bring it all. He also activates persia.

I never personally did it that way until I followed his more detailed plan to see how it works in practice–and I’m not in love with his overall plan or the timing, but I think its pretty easy to do both. And yes, you avoid Sumatra but that money goes to the weaker UKP and the idea here is to position UKE for the longer game.

[crockett36]

@aequitas-et-veritas Would you care to give us your list of spots? Just noticed this as a significant comment!

[crockett36]

@taamvan great thoughts there Taamvan!

[simon33]

@jdow said in We need an allied playbook.:

I prefer none of Iraq or Persia. I do not say NEVER build it, but the only IC I would always advise is Egypt.

If you do this, you can’t build both Iraq and Persia. This is a more defensive strategy. If I knew for sure that the Axis would concentrate on the German-Italian mechanised tag team, I would do so also.

Whereas the Iraq+Persia combo supports the UK ranging into the Caucasus, if they don’t fall to the Nazis.

[simon33]

@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:

Back to Simon33’s question–rewatching GHG’s video he takes Iraq and Persia on UK1, he can bring armor, cruiser shot, infantry, arty, the planes from India (which can land in syria with the rest of the taranto surviving planes). Thats a blowout if you bring it all. He also activates persia.

Hold on, if you bring an arm+art you are using both transports so can’t activate Persia.

[taamvan]

@simon33 arm comes via syria from egypt. mech is in alexandria so cant make it.

Watch the video. For years I thought I understood it and his plan is dangerous overall (Sea Lion, Factory Take) but his opener and UK1-3 plan wasnt clear until I carefully watched what he did and tried to imitate it.

All the best.

[simon33]

@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:

@simon33 arm comes via syria from egypt. mech is in alexandria so cant make it.

You have the setup wrong here. Arm starts in Alexandria while the mech starts in Egypt.

[taamvan]

@simon33

excuse you old friend—GHG has the setup wrong and I didnt bother to confirm it!

BRING THAT BUGGY

All the best!

[squirecam]

@taamvan

If there is no j1 declaration then I think the Iraq and Persia move is a good one if you want flexability. With war declared, those planes are out of position

[aequitas-et-veritas]

@taamvan could you post a link from this Video please?
Thank you.

[squirecam]

@aequitas-et-veritas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4vpY_DGQJY

[taamvan]

@squirecam

Out of position to do what? They are not needed on UK1-3 to defend UKP, and Japan is usually so tough that 2 planes and a few ships don’t project much threat.

Those planes ARE in position to defend the SB, TB and any other fighters that survive Taranto. One of the worst things that can happen to UK is to win taranto and then land the planes where the Italians can and should wipe them all out because there is only 1 or 0 infantry to protect the planes.

[squirecam]

@taamvan

email me. We can have a private test and I’ll show you what Im talking about.

[taamvan]

@squirecam

you can dm me but I dont mess with triple AAA its just too tedious for me. Thanks though and I love the discussion.

[squirecam]

@taamvan

Perhaps at Gencon then. Hope there is one.

[Aaron_the_Warmonger]

@taamvan said in We need an allied playbook.:

@squirecam

Out of position to do what? They are not needed on UK1-3 to defend UKP, and Japan is usually so tough that 2 planes and a few ships don’t project much threat.

Those planes ARE in position to defend the SB, TB and any other fighters that survive Taranto. One of the worst things that can happen to UK is to win taranto and then land the planes where the Italians can and should wipe them all out because there is only 1 or 0 infantry to protect the planes.

i’ve gone away from Taranto because of losing the planes even if you win, but this is a very interesting scenario utilizing UKP for territory and protection!

[squirecam]

@aaron_the_warmonger

You could lose India though. Japan could have attacked J1 and moved south to attack India J3. Moving those units and fighters out could be the difference.

I advise caution if Japan declared war J1.

[taamvan]

@squirecam

Its just the planes, after they take iraq they could all fly east if you wanted them to.

The JDOWJ1 takes UKP money down as quickly as possible. If Japan builds both bases, brings most of his planes, and shuts off the money quickly, it can take India by suffocating its factory and it can do it without needing much luck.

But, that does leave it vulnerable and it has awakened the sleeping giant of USA with extra income so Japan may have less money and position killing india first than otherwise.

[squirecam]

@taamvan

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the middle earth version you talked about had UK taking Iraq and Persia on round 1. The Iraq attack uses the Egypt units but to get Persia you need to transport an infantry as well.

Sure, you could simply transport that unit back. But then you are simply even. When instead you could have brought 4 units into India with those transports and have a better chance on India J3.

The planes that attacked Iraq uk1 land in trans Jordan. Those cannot reach India until uk3. After Japan has already attacked.

If japan declares war j1 and moves to the coast with all transports and air…do not take a single unit out of india. You are just asking Japan to crush it and helping them do so.