National objectives

[Flying Tiger]

I think it’s time Krieghund gave us a few solid national objectives we don’t have. Please….

[Obergruppenfuhrer]

Only reason Sweden could be free and neutral, was because Swedens friend and protector Herman Goering guaranteed Swedens integrity. Otherwise Adolf wanted to occupie Sweden as well.

That is a very interesting story about how Sweden stayed neutral. It all started “because an obscure German aviator fell in love with a beautiful Swedish woman on a cold winters night in 1920.”

Goering first wife lived there and he had, through his former brother in law (Count Eric Von Rosen), Given his word to King Gustav of Sweden that Swedish neutrality would never be violated by the Nazi party.

When Goering heard of Hitlers plan to invade Sweden with the OKW in March of 1941, he immediately went to Berchtesgaden and stould up to Hitler for the first time in his life.

He told Hitler of his promise to the King and said that if they invaded Sweden, the fuhrer would have to accept his resignation.

Hitler could see that Goering was quite sincere about this and their relations as friends, were still very good. Although Hitler was not happy about it, he ordered an immediate halt to the OKW. Hitler knew that if anything, he could attack Sweden later but that never ended up happening.

A side note regarding Goering:
After the death of Goerings first wife, he never really was the same. She pushed him to work harder and be a better man while his second lover lured him away with all her might to spend, eat, and drink lavishly in their gorgeous home along the Black Forest. She even had Goering help her Jewish friends get out of Germany.

Goering was coherced by her to intervene more than a few times when her Jewish friends (mostly actors and aristocracy) were taken into custody by the SS and Gestapo. There was a final intstance later in the war when Goering & Hitler were not on good terms. Once again Goering was begged to intervene on behalf of a husband and wife taken into custody and were awaiting deportation to a concentration camp. Goering interviened by telephone and an agreement was made that they would be sent to “one of the nicer camps” and given their own private quarters with a servant. However, out of spite for Goering, the Reichsmarshall had them executed immediately.

Source of Refferance: “Eagles of the 3rd Reich, the men who made the Luftwaffe” by Samuel W. Mitcham JR.

[Atlantikwall]

@Kreighaund:

Are the national objectives the same for every country in both 41 and 42 edition?

[Krieghund]

Yup.

[Guest]

@Atlantikwall:

@Kreighaund:

Are the national objectives the same for every country in both 41 and 42 edition?

@Krieghund:

Yup.

Now, if we just had a complete list of what they are it would be a very great help.  Are they any that have not yet been mentioned, or have they all be covered?

[Lynxes]

(Sorry for messing the thread with historical excuses, deleted that one, back to subject…  :oops: )

I do think we should try to discuss what National objectives means for the game. I’d love some updates to the rules, but what we have now is probably quite close to the real thing.

From other threads we have two basic conclusions:

1. Nat obj’s favours the Axis in the early game, and if the Allies switches the tide of the war the game could “swing” quickly against the Axis, possibly shortening the game.
2. Nat obj’s encourages historical play, i.e. Japan going south and east, Italy not putting all their troops on the Russian front etc. Advantage: less strange strategies, the war will be more of a “world war” using all of the map, disadvantage: risk for a “scripted” feeling to the game.

Are there more points to how it changes the game? Or should we try to go more into each country and how it changes the play? I would like to add that I think the advantages very much outweighs disadvantages for both points above, and think Nat Obj’s are one the great improvements to the game!

[Krieghund]

@Lynxes:

US/China

(Phillippine Islands=5 IPCs)

This one is correct.

[Lynxes]

I think we’re getting closer to the real thing now, but one country is still a bit in the dark: UK. I haven’t got a single one of my suggestions confirmed. Let’s just explain my choices:

Gibraltar, Egypt, Transjordan, Persia
India, Burma, Hong-kong, NEI, Borneo, Solomon Islands

These two just represent that defending their empire was a major priority in the war. UK had a defensive strategy and this was unavoidable due to how stretched out it’s empire was.

France, Northwestern Europe, Norway, Finland

UK had a commitment to liberate all democracies of Western Europe, which was why Norway was a target in Churchill’s view and probably similar when it comes to “Market Garden” offensive vs. the Low countries.

Italy, Balkans, Libya, Morocco-Algeria

This was due to Britain’s commitment with the Greeks and the Yugoslavs, and the need to counterbalance Soviet influence after the war. The US was more concerned with winning the war as quickly as possible, whereas UK with the european perspective thought also of the political situation on the continent.

[Obergruppenfuhrer]

@Imperious:

If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.

How do you do it Imperious Leader? Is this your full time job? (If you don’t mind me asking) There must be thousands of things you have to deal with daily. You should get some serious paid vacation for all your work in my opinion.

[shermantank]

@Obergruppenfuhrer:

@Imperious:

If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.

How do you do it Imperious Leader? Is this your full time job? (If you don’t mind me asking) There must be thousands of things you have to deal with daily. You should get some serious paid vacation for all your work in my opinion.

The guy doesn’t sleep…

[Imperious Leader]

Robots never sleep

[Krieghund]

@Lynxes:

Japan

Manchuria+Formosa+French Indo-China=5 IPCs

Actually, this is Manchuria, Kiangsu (which contains Shanghai) and French Indo-China/Thailand.

[Flying Tiger]

Thanks for all the info Krieghund. I believe that the only big unknowns are the National Objectives. If we knew them all it would be all we need to analyze the game. I am sure EVERYONE here will be buying the game regardless so I really don’t see a need to hold back on the rest of the info.

WOTC only seems interested in veterans of AA to buy this game since I don’t see any advertisement or anything. I could put up a cardboard sign on my street lamppost and it would be more of an effort than WOTC does. I LOVE AA games, I started playing Original AA in 1988, and I find it ridiculous that I didn’t find out Revised existed until Christmas 2006. How many more people would love these games if they knew they existed? Probably 90% of the people I asked if they have played or heard of the game had no idea.

[03321]

I didn’t know about Revised until accidentally running into Gleemax this summer, heh.

[Imperious Leader]

Probably 90% of the people I asked if they have played or heard of the game had no idea.

Thanks to WOTC marketing this will remain the case for the foreseeable future.

[Funcioneta]

He, here in Spain, I discovered this game because a friend brought to our warhammer store and we played a game (it was AAEurope). It was a copy he bought by a 3rd party with a rules translated by that 3rd party  :-D

You can imagine I would not discover anniversary edition if not by this forum  :-P

And WOTC contine spamming us with Magic expansions each 3 months  :-P

[Greand Stone]

WOTC also made D&D 4th edition, and they destroyed my favorit RPG game… Litteraly destroyed it. They did so many things which was incredible stupid…

[Adlertag]

@Greand:

WOTC also made D&D 4th edition, and they destroyed my favorit RPG game… Litteraly destroyed it. They did so many things which was incredible stupid…

Stupid is, stupid does.

WOTC must ……buuuuurnnn  :evil:

[Lynxes]

Edited with a new US Nat obj leaked by Squirecam on another thread!

[squirecam]

@Lynxes:

Edited with a new US Nat obj leaked by Squirecam on another thread!

Yeah, you put up some good guesses.

As to the list, I took a quick look. USA will not get a bonus for Italy. Italy gets a bonus for Italy, but I dont think any other country does. USA does get a bonus for France, as you have stated.