• @shermantank:

    I think that this is a good idea from Larry. It makes the game more realistic and tries to get nations to accomplish traditional objectives that existed during World War 2 (even though it can take some of the fun out of the “what if…” game and some potentially interesting scenarios.)

    nice post.  I agree.

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    @Lynxes:

    Germany

    Poland+Czech-Hungary+Bulgaria-Roumania= 5 IPCs

    Not exactly.  Germany gets 5 IPCs if the Axis powers control France, Northwestern Europe, Germany, Czechoslovakia/Hungary, Bulgaria/Romania and Poland.


  • / Krieghund

    Thanks again, edited my post! Keep it coming. So this bonus is about the integrity of the continental system that Germany envisioned, it is a good counter to sacrificing France or NW europe to mini-invasions or to use the eastern territories as buffers since that would have made German government of those areas impossible. Germany now has an incentive to switch the war over to the Atlantic and to Russian soil, which is great for historical feeling of the game.

    As a Swede by the way, I like that Scandinavia is of more value now. Norway’s value was to guarantuee Sweden’s malicious iron and industrial transports to germany in wintertime, which went via Narvik. Taking Norway would probably also have stopped shipments altogether as the Swedish government at the time bowed to external pressure, and the same for Finland. I thus take the now 5 IPC value of scandinavia to include Sweden’s resources, unashamed of my egotistic focus on a country that is impassable…  :-D


  • @Lynxes:

    As a Swede by the way, I like that Scandinavia is of more value now. Norway’s value was to guarantuee Sweden’s malicious iron and industrial transports to germany in wintertime, which went via Narvik. Taking Norway would probably also have stopped shipments altogether as the Swedish government at the time bowed to external pressure, and the same for Finland. I thus take the now 5 IPC value of scandinavia to include Sweden’s resources, unashamed of my egotistic focus on a country that is impassable…  :-D

    As a Norwegian, I agree. Except Sweden isn’t impassable, it would have been easy to occupie Sweden from the south, since all the military equipment was in Karelske Neset (Viborg). Only reason Sweden could be free and neutral, was because Swedens friend and protector Herman Goering guaranteed Swedens integrity. Otherwise Adolf wanted to occupie Sweden as well.

    Germany depended on 3 things for survival. High grade steel from Sweden, nickel from Finland and oil from Rumenia. Homeland Germany only had coal. But having only steel, or only oil, would do no good, you need to combine all the resources to gain a profit. And this is brilliant modelled in A&A50 with this new bonus rule.

    BTW, Sweden didn’t do much use in WWII, but now you got a lot of excellent authors that write a lot of good books, like Tamelander, Zetterling and Smedberg. So here in Norway we say that it was Norwegian resistance that killed Hitler, and you Swedes wright about it. We are the practicioners, you are the academic theoretichs.


  • A comment on Sweden in WW2.  The US actually sold a fair number of aircraft engines to Sweden in WW2, which the Swedes used to build up their air force.  The Finns used both Brewster Buffalo and Curtiss P-36 Hawk fighters, the Hawks being acting sold to the Finns by the Germans, who captured the aircraft in both Norway and France.  The US sold spare parts in excess of Swedish requirements to the Swedes, knowing that they would in turn be sold/delivered to the Finns, aiding them in their fight against Russia.  The British did likewise with spare parts for the Finns Bristol Mercury aircraft engines, which powered the Fokker D-21 fighter and the Bristol Blenheim light bomber that the Finns were building under license from the British.  The Swedes also furnished the US and UK with a radio-controlled V-2 that landed by mistake in Sweden.  The British also were buying ball-bearings from Sweden throughout the war, and used high-speed converted PT boats to run the blockade to Goteborg.  And of course, both the US and the UK used the magnificent 40mm Bofors gun.


  • And thanks to Timerover this is no longer an Anniversary thread


  • If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.


  • I think it’s time Krieghund gave us a few solid national objectives we don’t have. Please….


  • Only reason Sweden could be free and neutral, was because Swedens friend and protector Herman Goering guaranteed Swedens integrity. Otherwise Adolf wanted to occupie Sweden as well.

    That is a very interesting story about how Sweden stayed neutral. It all started “because an obscure German aviator fell in love with a beautiful Swedish woman on a cold winters night in 1920.”

    Goering first wife lived there and he had, through his former brother in law (Count Eric Von Rosen), Given his word to King Gustav of Sweden that Swedish neutrality would never be violated by the Nazi party.

    When Goering heard of Hitlers plan to invade Sweden with the OKW in March of 1941, he immediately went to Berchtesgaden and stould up to Hitler for the first time in his life.

    He told Hitler of his promise to the King and said that if they invaded Sweden, the fuhrer would have to accept his resignation.

    Hitler could see that Goering was quite sincere about this and their relations as friends, were still very good. Although Hitler was not happy about it, he ordered an immediate halt to the OKW. Hitler knew that if anything, he could attack Sweden later but that never ended up happening.

    A side note regarding Goering:
    After the death of Goerings first wife, he never really was the same. She pushed him to work harder and be a better man while his second lover lured him away with all her might to spend, eat, and drink lavishly in their gorgeous home along the Black Forest. She even had Goering help her Jewish friends get out of Germany.

    Goering was coherced by her to intervene more than a few times when her Jewish friends (mostly actors and aristocracy) were taken into custody by the SS and Gestapo. There was a final intstance later in the war when Goering & Hitler were not on good terms. Once again Goering was begged to intervene on behalf of a husband and wife taken into custody and were awaiting deportation to a concentration camp. Goering interviened by telephone and an agreement was made that they would be sent to “one of the nicer camps” and given their own private quarters with a servant. However, out of spite for Goering, the Reichsmarshall had them executed immediately.

    Source of Refferance: “Eagles of the 3rd Reich, the men who made the Luftwaffe” by Samuel W. Mitcham JR.


  • @Kreighaund:

    Are the national objectives the same for every country in both 41 and 42 edition?

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    Yup.


  • @Atlantikwall:

    @Kreighaund:

    Are the national objectives the same for every country in both 41 and 42 edition?

    @Krieghund:

    Yup.

    Now, if we just had a complete list of what they are it would be a very great help.  Are they any that have not yet been mentioned, or have they all be covered?


  • (Sorry for messing the thread with historical excuses, deleted that one, back to subject…  :oops: )

    I do think we should try to discuss what National objectives means for the game. I’d love some updates to the rules, but what we have now is probably quite close to the real thing.

    From other threads we have two basic conclusions:

    1. Nat obj’s favours the Axis in the early game, and if the Allies switches the tide of the war the game could “swing” quickly against the Axis, possibly shortening the game.
    2. Nat obj’s encourages historical play, i.e. Japan going south and east, Italy not putting all their troops on the Russian front etc. Advantage: less strange strategies, the war will be more of a “world war” using all of the map, disadvantage: risk for a “scripted” feeling to the game.

    Are there more points to how it changes the game? Or should we try to go more into each country and how it changes the play? I would like to add that I think the advantages very much outweighs disadvantages for both points above, and think Nat Obj’s are one the great improvements to the game!

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    @Lynxes:

    US/China

    (Phillippine Islands=5 IPCs)

    This one is correct.


  • I think we’re getting closer to the real thing now, but one country is still a bit in the dark: UK. I haven’t got a single one of my suggestions confirmed. Let’s just explain my choices:

    Gibraltar, Egypt, Transjordan, Persia
    India, Burma, Hong-kong, NEI, Borneo, Solomon Islands

    These two just represent that defending their empire was a major priority in the war. UK had a defensive strategy and this was unavoidable due to how stretched out it’s empire was.

    France, Northwestern Europe, Norway, Finland

    UK had a commitment to liberate all democracies of Western Europe, which was why Norway was a target in Churchill’s view and probably similar when it comes to “Market Garden” offensive vs. the Low countries.

    Italy, Balkans, Libya, Morocco-Algeria

    This was due to Britain’s commitment with the Greeks and the Yugoslavs, and the need to counterbalance Soviet influence after the war. The US was more concerned with winning the war as quickly as possible, whereas UK with the european perspective thought also of the political situation on the continent.


  • @Imperious:

    If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.

    How do you do it Imperious Leader? Is this your full time job? (If you don’t mind me asking) There must be thousands of things you have to deal with daily. You should get some serious paid vacation for all your work in my opinion.


  • @Obergruppenfuhrer:

    @Imperious:

    If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.

    How do you do it Imperious Leader? Is this your full time job? (If you don’t mind me asking) There must be thousands of things you have to deal with daily. You should get some serious paid vacation for all your work in my opinion.

    The guy doesn’t sleep…


  • Robots never sleep

  • Official Q&A

    @Lynxes:

    Japan

    Manchuria+Formosa+French Indo-China=5 IPCs

    Actually, this is Manchuria, Kiangsu (which contains Shanghai) and French Indo-China/Thailand.


  • Thanks for all the info Krieghund. I believe that the only big unknowns are the National Objectives. If we knew them all it would be all we need to analyze the game. I am sure EVERYONE here will be buying the game regardless so I really don’t see a need to hold back on the rest of the info.

    WOTC only seems interested in veterans of AA to buy this game since I don’t see any advertisement or anything. I could put up a cardboard sign on my street lamppost and it would be more of an effort than WOTC does. I LOVE AA games, I started playing Original AA in 1988, and I find it ridiculous that I didn’t find out Revised existed until Christmas 2006. How many more people would love these games if they knew they existed? Probably 90% of the people I asked if they have played or heard of the game had no idea.

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