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NW Invitational VanVsTac 1942 LHTR
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Incredible!
That guy in Burma killed 1 British infantry, 1 British tank, 1 American infantry and the bomber even capped my artillery!
Wasted 4 units to take that 1 stupid territory and I still didn’t even get it!
Maddening! :rage:
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to Russia 15 armour, 13 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia 9 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Archangel Germans take Archangel from Russians 9 armour moved from Archangel to Russia 4 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia 1 infantry moved from Italy to France 11 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to France Combat - Germans Battle in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Americans defend with 1 armour Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Germans win, taking Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 armour Battle in France Germans attack with 12 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 12 infantry in France, round 2 : 0/12 hits, 2.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 12 infantry in France, round 3 : 1/12 hits, 2.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in France, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in France Germans win, taking France from British with 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Russia Germans attack with 24 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 9 infantry British defend with 2 fighters; Americans defend with 2 bombers and 2 fighters; Russians defend with 3 aaGuns, 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 29 infantry AA fire in Russia : 0/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 9 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 12/51 hits, 22.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 aaGuns, 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 2 bombers, 5 fighters and 29 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 21/46 hits, 17.50 expected hits 7 infantry owned by the Russians, 12 artilleries owned by the Germans, 9 infantry owned by the Germans, 3 aaGuns owned by the Russians and 2 bombers owned by the Americans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 12/30 hits, 15.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 5 fighters and 22 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 12/37 hits, 14.83 expected hits 12 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 11 armour owned by the Germans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 13 armour, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Russia, round 4 : 10/18 hits, 9.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 5 fighters and 10 infantry in Russia, round 4 : 14/25 hits, 10.83 expected hits 10 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 13 armour owned by the Germans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Russia, round 5 : 1/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 5 artilleries and 5 fighters in Russia, round 5 : 6/15 hits, 7.50 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians, 3 fighters owned by the Germans and 1 bomber owned by the Germans lost in Russia Russians win with 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -145 Casualties for Germans: 24 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 9 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 bombers Casualties for Russians: 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 29 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans Place Units - Germans 1 armour and 1 artillery placed in Karelia S.S.R. 3 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Germany 1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Italy Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : -15.50 AA fire in Russia : : -0.83 British : -0.17 Russians : 2.33 -
Well, game over! Like I said, glitchy as shit! 88% change of winning with 13 units remaining. Instead, you have 13 units remaining. Thanks for playing. It was fun.
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It’s frustrating, but not as upsetting as if I’d done something wrong. I’m happy with my play. I set myself up to win, with overwhelming odds. That’s how you play the game. Random chance, or computer program glitch, is not in my control. It has inspired me to try harder to get people to play low-luck in the future, though.
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On a positive note, this is only the second time I’ve played 1942, and I really like the game! I bought it a couple weeks ago, and look forward to working it into the rotation of my future gaming.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 11 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to France 1 infantry moved from Italy to France 15 armour, 13 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia 4 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia 9 armour moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Archangel Germans take Archangel from Russians 9 armour moved from Archangel to Russia 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to Russia Combat - Germans Battle in Russia Germans attack with 24 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 9 infantry British defend with 2 fighters; Americans defend with 2 bombers and 2 fighters; Russians defend with 3 aaGuns, 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 29 infantry AA fire in Russia : 0/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 9 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 18/51 hits, 22.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 aaGuns, 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 2 bombers, 5 fighters and 29 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 21/46 hits, 17.50 expected hits 13 infantry owned by the Russians, 12 artilleries owned by the Germans, 9 infantry owned by the Germans, 3 aaGuns owned by the Russians and 2 bombers owned by the Americans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 24 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Russia, round 3 : 13/30 hits, 15.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 5 fighters and 16 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 12/31 hits, 12.83 expected hits 13 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 11 armour owned by the Germans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 13 armour, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Russia, round 4 : 11/18 hits, 9.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 5 fighters and 3 infantry in Russia, round 4 : 9/18 hits, 8.50 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 armour owned by the Russians, 5 artilleries owned by the Russians and 9 armour owned by the Germans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Russia, round 5 : 4/9 hits, 4.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 armour and 5 fighters in Russia, round 5 : 4/7 hits, 4.33 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Russians, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 3 armour owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 3 fighters in Russia, round 6 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 fighters in Russia, round 6 : 2/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 fighters owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Russia Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Russia, round 7 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Russia, round 7 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Germans lost in Russia Germans captures 18PUs while taking Russians capital Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -33 Casualties for Germans: 23 armour, 13 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 9 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 bombers and 2 fighters Casualties for Russians: 3 aaGuns, 5 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 fighter and 29 infantry Casualties for British: 2 fighters Battle in France Germans attack with 12 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 12 infantry in France, round 2 : 3/12 hits, 2.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in France Germans win, taking France from British with 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Americans defend with 1 armour Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Germans win, taking Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from West Russia to Karelia S.S.R. 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to West Russia 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Northwestern Europe to France 1 infantry moved from Italy to Germany Place Units - Germans 1 armour and 1 artillery placed in Karelia S.S.R. 3 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Germany 1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Italy Germans undo move 3. Germans undo move 1. 2 armour placed in Karelia S.S.R. 2 infantry placed in Italy Germans undo move 1. 4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Germany 1 infantry placed in Italy Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 58 PUs; end with 76 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
AA fire in Russia : : -0.83 Germans : -4.33 British : -0.83 Russians : 3.17 -
Just for my peace of mind. Sorry to spam your email. Still got bad luck. Probably the biggest combat hit differential of the game, but at least I took Moscow. Barely.
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@MillCreek
Holy shit that was close!
Well done, sir!
I was hoping to sneak out of that one and live for 1 more round… I’ll have to take a look at the map and see where we go from here.
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@MillCreek
Imagine if we had diced that out face to face. That would have been so intense!
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You won. That last post was just for my peace of mind. I’d spent a month trying to take Moscow, so I had to see it done. ;-)
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Since they give us the numbers, I figured I’d compile them. Before that final turn, you had the slight combat hit differential advantage of .68. That German turn was a 16.83 advantage to you! My final “redo” turn was 5.84 advantage to you.
In other words, it was a seemingly pretty fair game of luck, until that last turn.
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@MillCreek
Wow! Holy shit!
I didn’t even see the first post! Haha!
Wow. Yeah, that’s a dicing for sure! I feel bad. I think you had about 82% odds on that battle - but it was extremely swingy. What a heartbreaker!
It just goes to show you what a close game it was all the way through. Basically it came down to one final battle for Moscow - winner take all.
Hell of a game, man!
Honestly, this is the version I play most often and you taught me a thing or two about overall strategy. Kudos!
It’s neat to see how easily it could have gone the other way. I think we can both be proud of a game well played and also take away some lessons for next time. - I know I will.
So do you want me to finish out the British and American turn? Play this out to the required victory cities or is that an official concession?
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@MillCreek
This is true. I have been in that situation many times. It can drive you nuts.
I’ve been trying to explain to myself why I feel like the dice decide so many games (despite what I know about statistics). What I’ve discovered is that in a really good game, where players are well matched it’s often the dice that make the difference, only because without dice-you could see-saw back and forth with each one unable to consistently gain the upper hand.
It goes to show you how tight this one was.
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@MillCreek
Regarding the probabilities and “expected values” of the dice. I have also thought a lot about this. And how it doesn’t exactly tell the whole story.
For example: if you attacked France with 15 guys against my 1. And you had 5 expected hits and got 1 and I had 0.33 expected hits and got 1, that would be recorded as a 4.33 swing in my favour when really, it had no effect on the outcome and you would easily take the territory.
By contrast when you attacked Moscow: being 10 hits under on the first round and me being slightly over basically sunk you. And even if you were 2 points over and I was par for the next 4 rounds. It still would have ended badly for you but the stats would have said it was roughly even.
It would be cool to trace the stats back to the start of the game. I recall taking an undeserved bruising while knocking out the Japanese fleet and I know once you got smacked by the British dice in Baltic states.
Great game overall. I would be game for a re-match if you’re ever interested. I would like to prove I can beat you without a bunch of dice help. I’ve never tried low-luck, but it might be the way to go if we both have something to prove. ;-)
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@Canuck12 said in NW Invitational VanVsTac 1942 LHTR:
@MillCreek
Wow! Holy shit!
I didn’t even see the first post! Haha!
Wow. Yeah, that’s a dicing for sure! I feel bad. I think you had about 82% odds on that battle - but it was extremely swingy. What a heartbreaker!
It just goes to show you what a close game it was all the way through. Basically it came down to one final battle for Moscow - winner take all.
Hell of a game, man!
Honestly, this is the version I play most often and you taught me a thing or two about overall strategy. Kudos!
It’s neat to see how easily it could have gone the other way. I think we can both be proud of a game well played and also take away some lessons for next time. - I know I will.
So do you want me to finish out the British and American turn? Play this out to the required victory cities or is that an official concession?
No need to play it out. I concede. Good game.
Trying to console myself for a month’s efforts, I’m finding solace in remembering the judges’ decisions. That is half of the reason I wanted to play it out. Besides it just being a good game, I wanted to prove I was favored to win. I never claimed to be 100% certain I would win. But 88% to 12%, is evidence to me that I was right. I did lose, but I was favored to win.
As for a rematch, I’m feeling pretty jaded, as evidenced by my crying :cry: , but give it a couple days, and I’ll probably be ready to get back on the horse.
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@MillCreek
Ouch! Losing by dicing makes you want to point the gun at your face.
But alas… it happens.
No worries Mill Creek… remember, I thought you were winning for the split decision which I guess proved true but for different reasons, i.e. the dice.
I will get up to BC soon enough and beat Canuck12 and Gargantua et al like they were little bare cheeked babies
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