Grasshopper & Gargantua's 3G40 Deluxe Edition (Updated October 20th, 2018)

[Young Grasshopper]

RULE EXPLANATIONS & GLOSSARY OF TERMS

IMPASSABLE REGIONS

• All air units may fly over the Sahara desert, the Pripet marches, and the Himalaya mountains however, they must spend an extra movement point to do so (land units may not pass through).

PRODUCTION RESTRICTIONS

• The capacity points listed under each unit profile will determine how many capacity points a unit will use from any given production facility when built there.

FIRST STRIKE CAPABILITIES

• An ability for certain units during a first strike phase to strike and remove enemy casualties off the board immediately when a hit is rolled, therefore preventing a casualty roll (similar to surprise strike)
• This special ability is separate from general combat, therefore, all first strike units still receive their initial attack or defense rolls during the first general combat round.

DOG FIGHTING

• All aircraft must resolve a single round of “Dog Fighting” before engaging other land or sea units in general combat rounds. Dog Fighting is also the round in which defending AA artillery fire at attacking aircraft, however, AA fire is rolled after all air units have fought during the dog fight round.

SUPERIORITY BONUSES

• Tanks (not heavy tanks) get a ground superiority bonus applied when the enemy does not have any stronger land units present in battle.
• The obsolete War Plane unit has an air superiority bonus applied when the enemy does not have any stronger air units present in battle.
• The obsolete Warship unit has a sea superiority bonus applied when the enemy does not have any stronger sea units present in battle.

SUPPORT BONUSES

• A +1 modifier applied to attack and/or defense values of a unit when paired with a second specified unit during battle (same as combined arms).

BLOCKING ENEMY MOVEMENT

• In order to block enemy units, the territory or sea zone in question must be defended by units totaling 3 or more capacity points (both submarine, and transport capacity values do not apply when blocking enemy movement).

CAPACITY LOADS

• During both combat and non-combat movement phases, sea transports may only carry a load totaling 3 capacity points, and an air transport may only carry 2 capacity points worth of regular or elite infantry.
• Rail stations do not use the capacity point system to determine their cargo size

THE BUILD QUEUE

• Certain units must enter the build queue for at least 1 turn before being placed on the board. Players must pay half the unit’s cost to put into the build queue, and than the remaining half later when they wish to take it out of the build queue and onto the board.

RELIEVING AND DESIGNATING AIR UNITS

• During step #3 of your turn sequence, you may remove designation markers remaining under any air unit including none. Once an air unit has been relieved from past missions, they may be used during combat or non-combat movement for the remainder of your turn.

• During step #4 of your turn sequence, you may apply designation markers under any air unit including none. Once an air unit have been designated for future missions, they may not move or be used for the remainder of your turn.

Designated aircraft may be used in the following ways…

• As an “in bound” aircraft sent to defend a territory or sea zone within range being attacked by enemy units
• As an “escort” accompanying bombers on their way to raid facilities during the strategic missions phase
• As an “interceptor” engaging enemy bombers on their way to raid facilities during the strategic missions phase
• As an “escort” accompanying naval fleets ready to shore bombard facilities during the strategic missions phase
• As an “interceptor” engaging enemy naval fleets ready to shore bombard facilities during the strategic missions phase

(Important: designated and scrambling aircraft are both considered “in bound air units” during any given turn sequence, and there may never be more than 3 “in bound air units” defending a particular sea zone or territory)

OBSOLETE UNITS

• Units listed as obsolete in the cost field are pre-war remnant weapons that are deemed old and not available for purchase.

[Young Grasshopper]

**3G40 DELUXE EDITION: FAQ

Q: Can fighters designated for escorting/intercepting scramble in defense?
A: Yes they can scramble, and any surviving aircraft would remain designated for the strategic missions phase.

Q: What happens to the unit that is not sufficient to block enemy forces? A: Units not strong enough to block enemy movement on their own may be ignored or attacked in the same way a lone sea transport in G40 could be.

Q: Can I use the same battleship I used to shore bombard during an amphibious assault to also bombard an adjacent enemy territory in the Strategic Missions Phase? A: Yes, designating a fleet to conduct shore bombardments in the upcoming Strategic Missions Phase happens after all movement and combat toward the end of your turn.

Q: Can I submerge my submarine at the beginning of any combat round? A: No, there are only two legal opportunities to submerge a submarine, first is during the submerge phase in the tactical missions sequence of naval combat. Second is during the general combat phase at the beginning of any combat round in which the submarine is not eligible to hit the remaining enemy units

Q: What can my attacking strategic bombers do after they carpet bomb?
A: They may be used as a casualty, or they may retreat along with all other attacking units.**

[Deaths Head 420]

Simply gorgeous map!

Playing this game as I Type.

4.5 hrs 1st turn.

You have way overcomplicated this by way way too much.

Naval and air designating is retarded.

Capacity points for IC’s is another no go. There are better ways to counter ijn tank rush.

The odds of Germany obtaining french stuff is to great.

If convoys are not part of a countries income, then how are they capable of removing $ from the same country that gains nothing for owning it?

There are 2 many convoy zones on map imho.

Uboats getting 2 sneak shots reguardless of dd present is broken and to strong imho.

Canada and UK or Australia and India should be teamed together, not the current way.

A cheat sheet for unit stats and costs is desperately needed.

Infantry are to weak!!!

[Young Grasshopper]

@Deaths:

Simply gorgeous map!

Playing this game as I Type.

4.5 hrs 1st turn.

You have way overcomplicated this by way way too much.

Naval and air designating is retarded.

Capacity points for IC’s is another no go. There are better ways to counter ijn tank rush.

The odds of Germany obtaining french stuff is to great.

If convoys are not part of a countries income, then how are they capable of removing $ from the same country that gains nothing for owning it?

There are 2 many convoy zones on map imho.

Uboats getting 2 sneak shots reguardless of dd present is broken and to strong imho.

Canada and UK or Australia and India should be teamed together, not the current way.

A cheat sheet for unit stats and costs is desperately needed.

Infantry are to weak!!!

Thank you for your attempt at playing Sir… the design team is now working hard on making the designated aircraft rules less “retarded”

[Deaths Head 420]

Sub rules are not so good. Only surfaced subs can be shot at or shoot?

Subs typically only attacked from the surface vs merchant shipping.

[Young Grasshopper]

@Deaths:

Sub rules are not so good. Only surfaced subs can be shot at or shoot?

Subs typically only attacked from the surface vs merchant shipping.

The sub and destroyer rules are an improvement over G40, that’s what we were going for.

[Deaths Head 420]

@Young:

I personally believe you have regressed in this area.

Unless you seriously streamline this, No one will play this. Spend more time rules searching then actually playing the game.

Use the KISS method every chance you can.

Game feels very axis biased

[Midnight_Reaper]

@Young:

@Deaths:

Sub rules are not so good. Only surfaced subs can be shot at or shoot?

Subs typically only attacked from the surface vs merchant shipping.

The sub and destroyer rules are an improvement over G40, that’s what we were going for.

I’ll bite: define improvement? What issue(s) are you attempting to fix, and how are you attempting to fix them?

-Midnight_Reaper

[Deaths Head 420]

I came down here with an open mind and excited to try something new. Thank you for the time and effort putting this together.

This version is more work then fun.
All the extra phases and added sequences have this game bogged down. 10 fricking hrs, 3 turns down.

Other then the enjoyable company, this is a Saturday I wish I could have back.

If you try to be to historical, you zap the fun out of it.

Good luck to you,
Wont be asking to play this version again anytime soon.

[Young Grasshopper]

Look guys… as you can see we’ve done a lot of work here and we’re play testing the crap out of it… I don’t wish to get involved in a conversation where I’m defending this variant to those that are obviously not interested. There are those that have printed the map, purchased the extra components, and have contributed positively to the process… and I’m in many conversations with them.

Thank you Death Head for trying it out, I’m sorry it wasn’t for you.

[bigalmeacham]

to try and move from the “stale G40” requires considerable amount of new and different ways of trying to rightfully represent the largest conflict in world history…

to say this took too long…well “we” all forget that it took “too long” to play G40 in the beginning…we feel very confident that when 5 players play this AND they have a decent understanding of the game - it wont take so “frickin long”

[bigalmeacham]

“axis biased”

safe to say the allies were players that have not played this version much…

the starting ipcs alone should probably alter this “axis biased” feeling…
G40 - Allies 177 ipcs  Axis 66 ipcs  (111 spread)
Deluxe - Allies  226 ipcs  Axis  90 ipcs  (136 spread)
“25 bid to allies”

plus the allies received more units in setup while adding another allied nation…

again this needs to be playtested more before any “real” bias can be determined with the hope no bias is determined when played properly…

imo rather brash to come to conclusions on a first time playing.

[Deaths Head 420]

Apologies for my “brash” responses.

The rule booklets alone are daunting task

No G40 never took this long.

We had 3 very experienced players including one of your designers.

10 hrs is unnacceptable for 3 turns

Not biased towards axis? Plz explain why then axis get 3 chances at 40% success rate to gain vichy stuff yet allies only get less then 10% chance?
Y do german uboats get 2 turns of non dd interferance but allies get 0 turns?

Y do axis get super units at game start but allies get 0. Sorry but Bizzy wasnt a supership!

Turn blocks as you call them is a good idea, your pairings are terrible.

Designated aircraft and ships is a uneccassary additive. Ships bombarding during ur special mission phase is beyond stupid.

Stop looking at spreadsheets and actually playtest it.

I drove 2.5hrs to play this game. What I did do was read rules all day……boring, even your fellow developer was in the books more often then not. Even your fellow developer says its to long and unneccasarily to complicated.

You wont get 5 players to stick it out long enough to be “quick”

Go back to d12 or d6 or fix ur infantry. You want to be historically accurate, then give infantry the stats they deserve, not the flaccid crap u currently have them at. You portray inf as useless cannon fodder.

Build points in factory is also beyond not smart.

[bigalmeacham]

like YG stated…sorry its not for you
“complicated” is hbg’s 1936 & 1939
we feel its not as complicated as those, but there’s A LOT of stuff…
sorry you feel you wasted your time…
maybe when this gains traction in the future you might be willing to get acclimated and become more seasoned

[Deaths Head 420]

@bigalmeacham:

to try and move from the “stale G40” requires considerable amount of new and different ways of trying to rightfully represent the largest conflict in world history…

to say this took too long…well “we” all forget that it took “too long” to play G40 in the beginning…we feel very confident that when 5 players play this AND they have a decent understanding of the game - it wont take so “frickin long”

The only thing stale in g40 is the fact that Italy is basically knocked out on UK first turn.
No im not a g40 fan boy.

Yes I would love to see your varient succeed. The map is to gorgeous to waste

[JuanSpain]

Congrats fot this effort! Sounds lots of fun!!

Juan

[Young Grasshopper]

@JuanSpain:

Congrats fot this effort! Sounds lots of fun!!

Juan

We thank you Sir.

[simon33]

@Deaths:

I came down here with an open mind and excited to try something new. Thank you for the time and effort putting this together.

This version is more work then fun.
All the extra phases and added sequences have this game bogged down. 10 fricking hrs, 3 turns down.

Other then the enjoyable company, this is a Saturday I wish I could have back.

If you try to be to historical, you zap the fun out of it.

Good luck to you,
Wont be asking to play this version again anytime soon.

Has anyone else tried this? Seems excessively complicated IMO.

If you want something more complicated why not try Global War 1936 2nd ed?

I’m inclined to agree about sub/DDs regressing. Haven’t played it but I don’t see the reason for the change from G40. Only real problem is that one DD could stop 10 subs from using their special abilities.

Curious about one thing. Why is separating Canada a negative? I always thought it was a bit crappy that Canadian income could be spent in London and was lost in a Sea Lion.

[Young Grasshopper]

@simon33:

@Deaths:

I came down here with an open mind and excited to try something new. Thank you for the time and effort putting this together.

This version is more work then fun.
All the extra phases and added sequences have this game bogged down. 10 fricking hrs, 3 turns down.

Other then the enjoyable company, this is a Saturday I wish I could have back.

If you try to be to historical, you zap the fun out of it.

Good luck to you,
Wont be asking to play this version again anytime soon.

Has anyone else tried this? Seems excessively complicated IMO.

If you want something more complicated why not try Global War 1936 2nd ed?

I’m inclined to agree about sub/DDs regressing. Haven’t played it but I don’t see the reason for the change from G40. Only real problem is that one DD could stop 10 subs from using their special abilities.

Curious about one thing. Why is separating Canada a negative? I always thought it was a bit crappy that Canadian income could be spent in London and was lost in a Sea Lion.

Yes, it’s complicated… not as much as 1936 though… but even if, what’s wrong with multiple game options with the same complexity level?

The reason for sub/destroyer changes from G40…
…in G40, Subs can’t submerge with a destroyer present, not realistic considering that destroyers had to deal with submerged subs all the time. In 3G40 subs can submerge with a destroyer present, and can escape most air units attacking them which increases their survivability rate by a lot.

So I don’t understand the “not seeing a reason for the change” comment when we all know how difficult it is to keep a submarine on the board (defending @1 and in the sights of any aircraft). I think we’ve done an excellent job translating true sub/destroyer tactics including depth charge attacks.

[simon33]

You should play whatever you find fun, but i wonder if the fun here has been in developing the game or in playing it?

How many play test games have been done? I find it a bit daunting just reading through all the rules. With 1936 at least there would have been some play tests. I would question the fun in that too with some things taking four turns to build.