[House Rules] Japan round 1 buyings

[Cow]

It is fairly easy to execute a cheese. If you dow j2 make sure you have enough guys on shan state to stop uk pacific from retaking it and an airbase on siam or kwangsi, you can put carriers on 36 + 37 to prevent a block from a j3 india. drop a naval base for transports to reach india

Any burma stacks should be attacked with air, in which case no airbase is needed to purchase (carriers from sz 36 allows 6 air from carriers and 6 more air to attack from 3 spaces away and 2 bomber.

If he defends india, kill it, if he retreats india, couple guys and a bunch of air.  So far kind of standard stuff. It is from here you can make a pivot.  burma is 2 spaces away from west india attack furthering a retreat and allowing an india hold. Also Persia is a nice 2 spaces away from india by sea. Allies ships are far away and won’t pose a threat to your fleet for the first 4-5 rounds (they may go to Japan so don’t lose japan, buy fighters and inf to hold japan otherwise Europe VC win goes up by 1 and that is game).

minor IC FIC and malaysia. Once all your guys have run from manchuria /  korea all the way to burma China will make like 30 and you just ignore china forever, China can’t leave China so that is good.

[Cow]

bombers can land Russia from either Siberia or Scotland. It is an easy cheese defense.

[simon33]

@Cow:

Try some of the cheese strategies in your next bm game. Japan take out India then go middle east (stop Persia complex and basically anything that could reinroce russia, skip China completely just move everything down to Yunnan then burma). G6 Russia easy and Europe is done.

If UK_Pac defends perfectly, they should live on for a few turns, enough that a Japanese attack on Persia would be irrelevant to defend a G6-G8 attack on Moscow.

Sometimes (frequently) Japan can capitalise on a mistake to take India before then though.

[Cow]

Standard play works well for the axis still.  UK without a bid opens up the middle east for Germany/Italy if they want to make a play for it.

[Cow]

Perfect play just holds india till round 4.  You are buying 4 mech round 1 to prevent a shan state hold. blocking with a dd to prevent a burma take (so mech can reach shan state).

Beyond that there is no blocking Japan once his navy holds 36/37. Everything japan has reaches. So that is that.

[simon33]

Let’s say you get India J4, Absolute best I can see is you force Persia to produce units to defend itself rather than defending Moscow.

Did you mean holding SZ41 or SZ38? A two DD block (can use the French one) holds you out from SZ36/37.

[Cow]

Japan parks ships sz 36/37.  You can’t block transports from dropping on India.

[simon33]

Umm, but I just explained how you can. By putting DDs in both SZ41 and SZ38. I did exactly this in a recent game against BSD and went on to secure the win: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=41577

[aequitas-et-veritas]

You two should do a friendly.
Kill kill kill… 8-)

[Cow]

No you can’t 3 carriers parked on 38 and ships parked on 37. How are you killing that to block transports?

How else do you get 14 air on India without buying airbase? (6+6 figs +2bomber)

[Cow]

Japan has more than enough ships to prevent a block.

[simon33]

Right. You said they put their ships into 36/37. They may be able to prevent a block if they spread their ships out appropriately.

I’m still to be convinced that going for a j3 India crush is worthwhile when the allies respond properly. You can lose a lot of planes or you can fail to hold it if the allies pull most of their troops back to west India. Perhaps there is a way it is worth it in spite of allied actions, I just don’t know what it is.

[MarshmallowofWar]

@Amon-Sul:

ah, I see.

But everyone plays BM these days. I count it as the standard version  :lol:

Not everyone plays that. And it’s not A&A – it’s something else.

[Amon-Sul]

@Marshmallow:

@Amon-Sul:

ah, I see.

But everyone plays BM these days. I count it as the standard version  :lol:

Not everyone plays that. And it’s not A&A – it’s something else.

why is it something else?

just because it is not OOB?

[MarshmallowofWar]

Exactly so.

It’s house rules.

[Amon-Sul]

@Marshmallow:

Exactly so.

It’s house rules.

what about 2nd edition? it is also an upgrade of it`s own.

yes, BM adds some more stuff, but i would say a lot more than just a house rule, since half the people play it.

[MarshmallowofWar]

I’m not saying BM isn’t played by a lot of folks. It is, but it is not (as you previously asserted) played by everyone.

Just because I shave my head doesn’t mean everyone else does.

Just because you wear socks to work doesn’t mean that I wear socks to work.

Just because you play BM doesn’t mean everyone else does. However, BM is NOT A&A. By rules for these forums, that makes it house rules.

Lots of folks play Monopoly too – should we start discussing optimal strats for that game in these forums?

[Amon-Sul]

since 50 % of people play it, it is definitely more than a house rule. it is equal (in popularity) to 2nd edition definitely.

it is an upgrade of A&A Global, Monopoly is not a good comparison to BM.

and as for this article, the only changes from 2nd edition are the marines, so for those playing 2nd edition, just ignore those buys which count marines in.

[MarshmallowofWar]

Excellent. let me add some first round options for Global War 1939 then!

[Panther]

@Amon-Sul
@Marshmallow of War

I just stumbled by accident over your (offtopic) discussion here and feel it is time to add some (offtopic) thoughts here.

The reason why this thread is kept in this (Global 1940) subforum is, that the initial posting has aspects related to OOB as well as to BM. Also the title did not imply a Balanced Mod discussion. If it had, it would have been moved to “House Rules” immediately. As this thread turned into a BM discussion, this thread had to be tagged with [House Rules] according to how we deal with House Rules.

However, the “Balanced Mod” is what the name says: a modification. That means it is somewhere between “House Rules” and “Other Variants”. I would not mind if the Balanced Mod was discussed in either the “House Rules” or the “Other Axis & Allies Variants” forum.

Now there is one problem with Balanced Mod: It has been created in the “League” subforum of the “Play Boardgames” section of the forum. That means the Balanced Mod is more or less familiar to the League players and maybe some other people that were brought to BM by them. Outside of this part of our community and outside of our forum other players likely have no idea that BM even exists, what the BM actually is, or where to find it on this forum.

Summary: The Balanced Mod rules and any discussions about it are wrong in the “Global 1940” forum as well as I feel they are wrong in the “League” forum. They do belong to either “House Rules” or “Other Axis & Allies Variants”, IMHO.

I understand that BM has been developped from within the league… but it should have been brought to everyone’s attention to an appropriate forum at any time. It looks like it is time to move BM related content to a correct subforum and discuss it there, IMHO.