@freh Ok, I see it now. Pretty sneaky :)
Pacific Allies should always attack Japan turn 2
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Interesting topic YG. We never attack Japan first as the allies, but we hardly see games where Japan waits for turn 3.
But I see your points about the objectives and such, so will definitely try this if I get the opportunity.
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I suppose it comes down to wanting to be offensive or defensive as the Allies.
If you don’t attack, Japan will dictate where you have to move/be.
If you attack, Japan will have to play by your game and react to your moves.
It is a good way to test Allied strategies as Japan can’t ignore the Allies in the Pacific.
It must engage them if they are aggressive or lose troops/income (which it can’t afford to lose). -
It may come in handy if you see Japan getting prepared for a Launch at India or DEI’s and you have a UK DD left to perform a sneaky Karl. 8-)
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Of course, we are forgetting the unilateral DOW by ANZAC to stymie Japan transports, also know as:
THE SNEAKY KARL!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkj_9K3lfQk
(While it’s nice to have something great like that named after me, part of me thinks it should be called “Gargantua’s Bane,” given the move came to fame after I sprung it on him and he refused to believe it was legal and emailed Larry Harris, who then called the move “BS” but still legal. Hahahahahahah! For anyone who wants the whole story, go here:https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=40132.0)
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Oh! I see AV beat me to it!
Jinx!
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By 2 minutes 3 seconds Ha ha ha
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wow! That’s how I want my beer delivered!
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I almost always declare on Japan Uk2 (and sometimes UK1, against opponents who leave openings). The cash influx and strategic gains from declaring are too much to give up.
The main way it can go bad is if there’s a very strong Barbarossa push and USA can’t get fighters to help Moscow in time. That puts all the burden on UK Europe to help Moscow.
It usually takes a combination of factors to convince me not to declare UK2–namely some combination of 1) Japan is blocking access to more islands (like Celebes, New Guniea, etc) with its navy (which UK/Anzac can still get if they don’t declare) 2) there are good reasons to want USA operating in the Atlantic on turn 3 rather than turn 4 3) a Yunnan stack isn’t viable.
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Karl/AV … that move and another subsequent move was already described in detail on Nov 30, 2014.
Check it out here Bud…
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34893.0 -
If Japan doesn’t declare on J1, UK is dropping a Carrier and Linking it up with the Battleship in SZ37. If they do a J3, thats more time for the UK Pac to build up land units and get 2 more of the Money Islands. ANZAC should also jump on Java. Eventually the 2 Fleets you built with ANZAC and UK should link up or go with the US fleet. If its a Calcutta crush, then the sneaky karl is the best way to go. You should see it coming from a mile away.
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UK Pac aircraft carrier is one of my favorite under rated UK moves, contingent on whether there is a J1 or not. If no J1, depending on the Jap staging, drop an AC in UK pac, ANZAC aims for the NO money in New Guinea, and that UK2 declaration of war is a strong consideration.
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That move (I named Mahatma Gambit)… where the UK DD or BB is places with the Japanese Navy, (in peace - hence the “ Mahatma”) and Anzac declares … screwing up the Japanese Transport Combat … was played on the Day-after-Thanksgiving game on Frin Nov 28th,2014 in Seattle, WA. There were 7 people who played that day.
Details are here:
https://www.meetup.com/Tacoma-Axis-and-Allies-Meet-Up-Group/events/204823582/Some of those players are members and contributors here.
No mention of such a move was ever mentioned in this Forum before then, and before you know it… there were people trying to “rename” it…
Just for the record.
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That move (I named Mahatma Gambit)… where the UK DD or BB is places with the Japanese Navy, (in peace - hence the � Mahatma�) and Anzac declares … screwing up the Japanese Transport Combat … was played on the Day-after-Thanksgiving game on Frin Nov 28th,2014 in Seattle, WA. There were 7 people who played that day.
Details are here:
https://www.meetup.com/Tacoma-Axis-and-Allies-Meet-Up-Group/events/204823582/
Some of those players are members and contributors here.No mention of such a move was ever mentioned in this Forum before then, and before you know it… there were people trying to �rename� it…
Just for the record.
Hey MeinHerr! :lol:
I fully admit that I didn’t invent it. I think I came across it when it was used against me awhile back in the league.
The “Sneaky Karl” thing stemmed from me using it against Gargantua in a FtoF in Vancouver BC. Garg refused to believe it and emailed Larry Harris himself. Larry responded and called the move “bull*hit” if I recall, but Krieg confirmed its legality.
Then Garg used it in Grasshopper’s tourney and called it the Sneaky Karl. General Handgrenade saw this and then made a video about the move, calling it thus.
I don’t really care what it’s called. Mahatma Gambit is pretty good too. Or how about “The Anzac Steamer”… LOL.
Not sure anyone can claim a “right” to name a move that is contemplated by the rules. Frankly, I think it’s pretty gamey and should be changed so that Anzac DOW doesn’t bring in UK.
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Hey MeinHerr, just for fun I checked out your meet up post from November 28, 2014. Didn’t see the Sneaky Karl/Mahatma Gambit/Anzac Steamer/Gargantua’s Bane being played… Did I miss it?
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GHG named the move prior to the TG6CON tournament after reviewing our dispute spill over into the forums haha
Mahatma Gambit 0
Sneaky Karl 1
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I remember now, Larry Harris called it “BS” in short form.
So, as the creator of the game, MeinHerr, I think he has the ultimate right and priority to name such things.
Let the move forever be known as the “BS Move.”
Sorry MeinHerr… :lol:
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It could also be known as the DOH! when the Japanese player realizes they should of left their transports loaded.
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It could also be known as the DOH! when the Japanese player realizes they should of left their transports loaded.
Yes! I like it.
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I love the new name! They pulled a Homer! DOH!
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The sneaky Karl is a pain in the ass move. It works only once against a given opponent, though.
I always do a J1 or J2 DOW unless something goes horribly wrong in mainland Asia and I need my air force to clean up disaster zones. The Axis needs to get their income up to ~150 as soon as possible or they will inevitably lose the game no matter the strategic positions on the board. The Allies can play a game of attrition if they are will to trade units at a slightly bad ratio of ~1 : 1.2
The only reasons that I would do a UK2 DOW is if Japan messes up with their naval strategy or if I knew stacking Yunnan would prevent Japan from attacking that territory on J3. Otherwise the extra round of delaying the US from entering the war is usually catastrophic for the Allies.
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