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I thought I would post here that I am making a map of the Battle of Jutland with axis and allies style rules. The map is being made for TripleA, but we can also make it for AABattlemap.
I am looking for anyone who wants to help develop it with me :)
especially looking for anyone who would like to do the unit art for each of the two sides, and also someone to play test it with and share ideas about concepts and the historical placement of units.
I’ve already built one working and complex map for tripleA, as well as bug fixing in the others, so xml should not be a problem.
here is what i have so far:
Unlike familiar maps like the aa50 series, I do not want this map to be about building a fleet. I want the fleet to already exist. The IPCs/PUs you get to build units will be relatively low compared with the TUV that you already have. The units you build will represent reinforcements, they will not represent 6 months of industrial production. The time span of the battle will be 1 turn = 1 hour, or something like that.
The battle of Jutland took place on May 31, 1916.
This map will be a version of that battle, pretending that the U-Boats Sheer had ordered to attack the British Battlecruiser fleet had of been in position, rather than too far north as it was in history.
potential rules: (can be hard coded in the future, or done by players)
a maximum of 2 units per hex (even just for movement)(maybe 3?)
a maximum of 1 round per battle (to simulate an exchange of fire) (therefore if you want to hit everything in a hex, you may have to attack from multiple places)
naval mines on board minelayers do not fight if attacked, only ones that have been dropped off do (and naval mines may not ever enter land territory)(mines could be a 0/1/0 unit, or they could have special rules, that when they hit they also die, and the enemy unit does not roll against them, and that they only roll once)(1 mine per sea territory, and this counts towards the number of friendly units that can enter that territory)(each side can not purchase more mines, they start with some minelayers full of mines)
I would also like to implement neutral convoy zones that can be taken and captured by the powers (with the PUs going to the power who owns it, rather than simply being denied to the original owner. just like land territories)(the non-neutral convoy zones, ei the convoy zones that start off being controlled by one power or the other could also switch to these rules, or they could remain with the current rules, that if there is an enemy sitting on them the PUs are not captured but simply denied to the original owner)
i believe the amount of PU production per turn per player will be approximately enough to buy 1 of the nations best naval units (and therefore, could alternatively be used for 2 of a mid-range unit, or 3 of a crap unit). And that the vast majority of it will come from convoy zones. I am thinking each power will earn around 20-30 PUs, with 15-25 of it from convoy zones / sea zones.
these aren’t hard and fast rules for units, but estimate that
each attack or defense costs 2 PUs
the first hit point costs 2 PUs
the second hit point, if there is one, costs 4 PUs in addition to first hit point
the first movement cost is free
the second movement cost, if there is one, costs 4 PUs
transporting ability costs 1 PUs per slot (mines take 1 slot, Generals take 2)
submersible costs 2
naval units can not heal after btl round
potential units:
uk:
Battleship 5/5/1/26 takes 2 hits
UK Fast Battleship 5/5/2/30 takes 2 hits (can not be built)(fast b/c it was the first oil based bb, all others were coal)
UK Battlecruiser 4/4/2/22
Armored Cruiser 3/3/1/14
Light Cruiser 2/2/2/14
Destroyers 2/1/2/12 or 1/1/3/12
Merchant Ships 0/0/1/8 (irresistible to subs, ie can see subs)
germany:
Battleship 5/5/1/26 takes 2 hits
German Battlecruiser 4/4/2/26 takes 2 hits
Dreadnought 4/4/1/18
Light Cruiser 2/2/2/14
Torpedo Boat 2/1/2/12 or 1/1/3/12
Submarine 2/1/1/10
Mine-Laying Submarine 1/1/1/12 with 4 slots
Mine-Layer 0/0/1/12 with 8 slots
Naval Mine 0/1/0/2 or 0/2/0/2 where if it gets a hit it dies
If I can code for things to take 3 hits to kill, add 1 hit onto BB, BC, and dreadnought, and maybe armored cruiser.
research on the sides:
The Royal Navy favored larger guns, the Kaiserliche Marine favored armor.
The Royal Navy had a better gunnery control systems, while the Kaiserliche had better a range finding system. The Royal Navy communicated using Flags and Lights, the Kaiserliche communicated using Radio and was therefore much better.
The Kaiserliche Marine had much better ammunition containment. The propellant charges for the British were kept in silk packages, and were often kept in chambers between the magazine and the gun turrets, while German charges were in brass and kept within magazines.
German armour-piercing shells were far better, penetrating more often than equivalent British shells.
Slight advantage to German ships, mostly due to their shells.
The Royal Navy Grand Fleet by class:
28x BB:
Revenge Battleship x 2 (1914-1916, 8x15 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 4x21 inch torpedo tubes, 13 inch armor belt, 3-5 inch deck armor, 21.25 knots, displaced 28,000 tonnes / 31,000 full load, 5th class of super-dreadnoughts, 5 made)
Queen Elizabeth Battleship x 5 (1913-1914, 8x15 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 4x21 inch torpedo tubes, 13 inch armor belt, 3-4 inch deck armor, 24 knots, displaced 27,500 tonnes / 33,000 full load, 5th class of super-dreadnoughts, 5 made)
Iron Duke Battleship x 4 (1912-1913, 10x13.5 inch guns, secondary 12x6inch guns, 4x21 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, 2.5 inch deck armor, 21.25 knots, displaced 25,000 tonnes / 29,500 full load, 3rd class of super-dreadnoughts, 4 made, flagship of John Jellicoe)
King George V Battleship x 4 (1911-1912, 10x13.5 inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 8-12 inch armor belt, 1-4 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 23,400 tonnes, 2nd class of super-dreadnought, 4 made)
Orion class Battleship x 4 (1910, 10x13.5 inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, 4 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 22,000 tons normal / 25,870 tons max, 1st class of super-dreadnought, 4 made)
Colossus Battleship x 2 (1910, 10x12inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 11 inch armor belt, 4 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced Normal: 19,680 tons / Fully laden: 22,700 tons, 2 made)
Netpune Battleship x 1 (1910, 8x12inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 10 inch armor belt, 2.5 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 19,900 tons (22,000 full load), 1 made)
St. Vincent Battleship x 3 (1909, 8x12inch guns, secondary 20x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 7-10 inch armor belt, 1-3 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 19,560 tons (23,000 full load), 3 made)
Bellerophon Battleship x 3 (1906-1909, 8x12inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 3x21 inch torpedo tubes, 5-10 inch armor belt, 1-3 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 18,800 tons (22,000 full load), 3 made)
9x BC:
Lion class Battlecruiser x 4 (1910-1912, 8x13.5 inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 2x21 inch torpedo tubes, 9 inch armor belt, 1-2.5 inch deck armor, 27.5 knots, displaced 26,250 tons normal / 29,680 tons full load, flagship of David Beatty)
Indefatigable Battlecruiser x 2 (1909-1911, 6x12 inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 2x18 inch torpedo tubes, 4-6 inch armor belt, 1.5-2.5 inch deck armor, 25.8 knots, displaced 18,500 long tons / 22,130 long tons)
Invincible Battlecruiser x 3 (1908, 6x12 inch guns, secondary 16x4inch guns, 5x18 inch torpedo tubes, 4-6 inch armor belt, 1.5-2.5 inch deck armor, 26.48 knots, displaced 17,250 long tons / 20,420 long tons)
8x Armored Cruiser:
Minotaur Armoured Cruiser x 3 (1906, 4x9.2 inch guns, secondary 5x7.5inch guns, 5x18 inch torpedo tubes, ? inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 23 knots, displaced 14,600 tons)
Warrior x 2 (1905, 4x9.2 inch guns, secondary 6x7.5inch guns, 3x18 inch torpedo tubes, 6 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 23 knots, displaced 13,550 tons)
Duke of Edinburgh x 2 (1905, 4x9.2 inch guns, secondary 10x6inch guns, 3x18 inch torpedo tubes, 6 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 23 knots, displaced 13,550 tons)
Devonshire x 1 (1904, 4x7.5 inch guns, secondary 6x6inch guns, 2x18 inch torpedo tubes, ? inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 22 knots, displaced 10,850 tons)
26x Light Cruiser:
Active x ? (1912, 10x4 inch guns, 2x18inch torpedo tubes, 25 knots, 3800 long tons, 1-4 inch armor)
C Class x ? (1913-1915, 5x6 inch guns, 2x3inch guns, 8x21inch torpedo tubes, 29 knots, 4700 long tons, 1-3 inch armor)
Town class x ? (1910, 2x6 inch guns, 10x4inch guns, 2x18inch torpedo tubes, 25-30 knots, 5000 long tons, 1-3 inch armor)
Arethusa x ? (1912-1913, 2x6 inch guns, 6x4inch guns, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 28.5 knots, 3500 long tons, 1-3 inch armor)
78× Destroyers:
M Class x ? (1913, 3x4 inch guns, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 34 knots, 1042 long tons)
Faulknor x ? (pre-1913, 6x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 32 knots, 1800 tons)
Marksman x? (1913-1915, 4x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 24 knots, 1600 tons)
S Class x? (1916, 3x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 36 knots, 1075 tons)
Acasta x? (1911-1912, 3x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 30 knots, 950 tons)
Acheron x? (1910-1911, 2x4 inch, 2x21inch torpedo tubes, 27 knots, 800 tons)
Laforey x? (1912-1913, 3x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 29 knots, 1000 tons)
Talisman x? (1914, 5x4 inch, 4x21inch torpedo tubes, 32 knots, 1100 tons)
The (Kaiserliche Marine) Imperial German Navy’s High Seas Fleet:
16x Battleships:
4 × Konig (1914, 10x12 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 5x20 inch torpedo tubes, 14 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 25,390 long tons / 28,600 long tons)
4 × Kaiser (1912, 10x12 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 5x20 inch torpedo tubes, 14 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 24,724 tonnes / 27,000 tons, flagship of Reinhard Scheer)
4 × Helgoland (1911, 12x12 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 6x20 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, 3 inch deck armor, 21 knots, displaced 22,808 tonnes / 24,700 tonnes)
4 × Nassau (1910, 12x11 inch guns, secondary 12x6inch guns, 5x18 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 20 knots, displaced 18,570 / 21,000 tons)
5x Battlecruisers:
2 × Derfflinger (1914, 8x12 inch guns, secondary 12x6inch guns, 4x20 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 26.5 knots, displaced 24,988 / 28,550 tons)
1 × Seydlitz (1912, 10x11 inch guns, secondary 12x6inch guns, 4x20 inch torpedo tubes, 12 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 26.5 knots, displaced 26,600 / 31,200 tons)
1 × Moltke (1911, 10x11 inch guns, secondary 12x6inch guns, 4x20 inch torpedo tubes, 11 inch armor belt, 3 inch deck armor, 25.5 knots, displaced 22,979 tons / 25,400 tons tons)
1 × Von der Tann (1908, 8x11 inch guns, secondary 10x6inch guns, 4x20 inch torpedo tubes, 9 inch armor belt, ? inch deck armor, 27.75 knots, displaced 19,370 / 21,300 tons)
6x Dreadnoughts:
5 × Deutschland (1903-1908, 4x11 inch guns, secondary 14x7inch guns, 6x18 inch torpedo tubes, 9 inch armor belt, 3 inch deck armor, 17 knots, displaced 14,218 tons)
1 × Braunschweig (1901-1906, 4x11 inch guns, secondary 14x6inch guns, 6x18 inch torpedo tubes, 9 inch armor belt, 3 inch deck armor, 19 knots, displaced 14,167 tons)
11x Light Cruisers:
Königsberg x ? (1914, 8x6 inch guns, 2x4inch guns, 4x20inch torpedo tubes, 27.5 knots, 6000 long tons, 2.5 inch armor)
Gazelle x ? (1900, 10x4 inch guns, 3x18inch torpedo tubes, 19.5 knots, 3000 long tons, 2 inch armor)
Wiesbaden x ? (1910, 8x6 inch guns, 2x4inch guns, 4x20inch torpedo tubes, 27.5 knots, 6000 long tons, 2.5 inch armor)
Pillau x ? (1913, 8x6 inch guns, 2x4inch guns, 2x20inch torpedo tubes, 27.5 knots, 5000 long tons, 2.5 inch armor)
Graudenz x ? (1912, 7x6 inch guns, 2x4inch guns, 4x20inch torpedo tubes, 120 mines, 27.5 knots, 5500 long tons, 2.5 inch armor)
61x Torpedo-Boats:
Grobes x? (1914, 3x3.5 inch, 6x20inch torpedo tubes, 34 knots, 1000 tons)
19x Submarine:
Mittel U x ? (1915, 1x4inch deck gun, 1x3inch deck gun, 4x torpedo tubes, 16 knots surfaced, 9 knots submerged, 1000 tons)
Type UB III x ? (1915, 1x4inch deck gun, 4x torpedo tubes, 14 knots surfaced, 8 knots submerged, 750 tons)
?x Minelaying U-Boats:
Type UC II x ? (1915, 1x4inch deck gun, 2x20inch torpedo tubes, 18x mines, 500 tons)
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