Cool story. Let’s hope this gets preserved.
WW2 movies, the most/least accurate.
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When I saw Stalingrad a german’s movie (1993, a long time ago), I was pretty horrified by this immersion in cold weather war.
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I wouldn’t exactly call Inglorious Bastards a “WW2 movie” in regards to it trying to be a realistic portrayal of the war that failed miserably… if anything its more of a fantasy/dark humor movie set in an alternative WWII timeline, so I wouldn’t really put it in the category of movies that should be rated for realism/lack-there-of. Kinda in the same category of what CWO was saying about “Where Eagles Dare”.
I’ve heard that after WWII, some US Marine ex-POWs who’d served on Wake Island saw the 1942 movie “Wake Island”, which purports to depict “as accurately as possible” the USMC’s heroic stand there in December 1941, and sarcastically described it as “one of greatest fiction films ever made.” The movie – among other fanciful things – implies that the Marines fought and died to the last man defending the island from the invading Japanese troops.
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Most realistic? Torra Torra Torra is pretty historical. Also Das Boot was credited with realism. I like Midway, but they packed in a lot of stupidity with a a totally irrelevant love story.
Least?
Inglorious Bastards was dumb, boring and kinds of silly. Any movie that shows Germans running stupidly into gunfire (which is most US WWII films).
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Fury
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Least accurate: Pearl Harbor with ben affleck and that cook who sank the entire Japanese air force and navy with one 50 caliber. I wanted to throw tomatoes at the screen.
They made it seem like it was an American victory.
Longest Day is still my favorite and had tons of accurate subplots based on actual accounts
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Enemy of the Gates
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Well that one should get a pass. That sniper is a real guy that the Soviets made a hero. The actor playing a German sniper was not at all interested in having any German mannerisms or accent ( forgot his name Ed Harris? or something)
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@aequitas:
Enemy of the Gates
Jobs?
Most obviously inaccurate was the Enigma film that replaced British with Americans.
The Great Escape also added Americans to an all British POW camp.
Watch out for the new Dunkirk film giving credit to anyone but Hitler for allowing the British army to escape.
Worst of all, a new Dam Busters film intends to rename Guy Gisbourne’s dog Nigger as “Digger”.
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@Imperious:
Well that one should get a pass. That sniper is a real guy that the Soviets made a hero. The actor playing a German sniper was not at all interested in having any German mannerisms or accent ( forgot his name Ed Harris? or something)
It is the same like Pearl harbour.
Love movie
Lots of explosives going off for nothing
Only one guy is the hero
Roll creditsTrue about the movie is:
Name of the city Stalingrad
The Name Saitzew
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@aequitas:
Enemy of the Gates
Jobs?
Most obviously inaccurate was the Enigma film that replaced British with Americans.
The Great Escape also added Americans to an all British POW camp.
Watch out for the new Dunkirk film giving credit to anyone but Hitler for allowing the British army to escape.
Worst of all, a new Dam Busters film intends to rename Guy Gisbourne’s dog ������ as “Digger”.
U571 would have been the next movie i would have posted Flashman.
The shot out of that depth was also fake. -
@aequitas:
@Imperious:
Well that one should get a pass. That sniper is a real guy that the Soviets made a hero. The actor playing a German sniper was not at all interested in having any German mannerisms or accent ( forgot his name Ed Harris? or something)
It is the same like Pearl harbour.
Love movie
Lots of explosives going off for nothing
Only one guy is the hero
Roll creditsTrue about the movie is:
Name of the city Stalingrad
The Name Saitzew
Sniper shooting …Oh almost forgot.
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I remember seeing a WWII movie starting Cary Grant. Grant was portrayed as the captain of an American submarine.
In one scene, the sub was attacked by two Japanese aircraft. This, even though there were no Japanese destroyers present.
To make matters worse, the Americans on the sub responded to the attack by using an aa gun mounted on the sub to shoot down both Japanese aircraft. (The aa gun could be removed and stored inside the sub for when the sub wanted to travel underwater.) Such a scene was far-fetched at best, because subs cannot fire at aircraft.
On a somewhat unrelated matter, I also read a book which claimed the Industrial Revolution began in England. This, clearly, could not have been the case. As everyone knows, it is impossible to construct an industrial complex on an island. Just can’t be done.
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Are you trying to apply an AxA Rule to real life, because indeed, a submarine can shoot at aircraft, many had airborne interception radar and permanently mounted flak guns, it just doesn’t work really well because the submarine’s best protection is to submerge, not fight.
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I own a DVD of the movie in question, which is titled “Destination: Tokyo.” The Japanese planes in question were “float Zeros”, meaning Zero fighters modified to function as seaplanes. The weapons used by the sub crew to shoot them down were .50 caliber machine guns, which were in fact abundantly used on WWII American warships (including battleships) as short-range anti-aircraft weapons. It’s quite credible that they’d be able to shoot down unarmoured, slow-and-low-flying planes like the ones shown in the film, particularly given that it took the sub crew a good couple of minutes to do so and that the plane got to make several passes before they were knocked out. The sub in that particular scene in the movie, to answer taamvan’s point, was in shallow waters and in a constricted mountainous bay at the time of the attack, so it was unable to dive or to maneuver quickly.
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Are you trying to apply an AxA Rule to real life, because indeed, a submarine can shoot at aircraft, many had airborne interception radar and permanently mounted flak guns, it just doesn’t work really well because the submarine’s best protection is to submerge, not fight.
My post was intended to gently poke fun at some of Larry Harris’s rules.
Obviously, the Industrial Revolution did start in England, hundreds of years before Larry made a rule against building industrial complexes on islands. And, equally clearly, subs sometimes did shoot down aircraft, as CWO Marc pointed out in his solid post.
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To make matters worse, the Americans on the sub responded to the attack by using an aa gun mounted on the sub to shoot down both Japanese aircraft. (The aa gun could be removed and stored inside the sub for when the sub wanted to travel underwater.) Such a scene was far-fetched at best, because subs cannot fire at aircraft.
Only in Axis and Allies are they not allowed.
In reality, they can most certainly fire on enemy aircraft… many subs on both sides had AA guns… it just usually was a pretty dumb idea, and a much better idea to submerge as fast as possible.
My post was intended to gently poke fun at some of Larry Harris’s rules.
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I ready your first post before your second post… pun is a pun… got it… carry on… -
Kurt does not own or play AA FYI
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@Imperious:
Kurt does not own or play AA FYI
As usual, you are just making stuff up.
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Take a picture of your game and post?
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@Imperious:
@Imperious:
Kurt does not own or play AA FYI
As usual, you are just making stuff up.
Take a picture of your game and post?
Uh Oh… Gauntlet thrown…
Will Kurt pick up and prove Imperious Leader wrong, or has Imperious Leader just exposed Kurt?
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