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no problem with the schism, we are still descendants of peter, while everyone else is not. second, all the reasons people left have been fixed, except with the orthodox, but they are still cool.
My parents aren’t at all Catholic, and I’m definite peter was involved in my conception. Just like everyone else.
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no problem with the schism, we are still descendants of peter, while everyone else is not. second, all the reasons people left have been fixed, except with the orthodox, but they are still cool.
My parents aren’t at all Catholic, and I’m definite peter was involved in my conception. Just like everyone else.
well, i am not quite sure if i understand what you tried to say here but it seems to me you are insulting, big time
i dont judge you, but believe you in God or not, there is a line, and you have crossed way down it :-(
and say what you want but beetwen protestant clergy and all other lay man, ateists…( besides muslims and some animalistic beliefs, so i dont affend them as i dont know them ) is much more in % number of pedofils, and deviant people than beetwen catholic clergy
i see you have hatred for Church and for it stands for as you simply cant accept it, that the Church will never give up on protecting the values that mean something, we are not perfect, we are a ˝bark that leaks on all sides˝, but as our Lord said to Peter the gates of hell want overpower us, who are you to think you can :x
the thing is that this priests should if they done anything wrong be sentenced to prison, to prison!!!
if not than all this thing is ridiculous, if its so, to insist on getting some money to ˝get even˝ something and then not insisting on suing them, so they dont hurt nobody anymore, and that with strong punishments the number of these crime reduces
i would say its a pact with the devil
and the devil here is also in Churches lines, not just in USA, so you dont think i have anything against youwell, i am not supporter of death penalty, but ˝true˝ muslims countries dont have this problems, at least not as we do
thats why they grow and we decline, because they are the same as they used to beand yes, i ll pray to God that he helps me, i find myself a sinner, and a weak mean,
and just one thing , i dont have anything against you, just against that what you ( sometimes, most of the time ) write and what you stand for, if you stand for something, indeed stand for something
Amon-Sul
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMzA82H-Qo&mode=related&search=
the simpsons puts catholicism into perspective here.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RMzA82H-Qo&mode=related&search=
the simpsons puts catholicism into perspective here.
well, the sound on my comp doesnt work so
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Amon, the “peter” remark was not an insult, it was use of a slang term for the penis.
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@ncscswitch:
Amon, the “peter” remark was not an insult, it was use of a slang term for the penis.
still, its on the verge of decent behaviour
i just didnt like the context
these debate has gone and is going in a wrong directionif we are goin to do nothing than arguing than we are wastin our time
nobody still didnt told me why arent the accused priests accused for jail sentences, if they done something like these then there shouldn be any bargains, this is not theft, or something to do with money, the whole story doesnt have anthing with money, if they are guilty they should go to jail, and if Church failed to solve the problems then they can speak with the Chruch about Church donating money to prevent this, or in some other charity
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Criminal statute of limitations are still in effect (though in many areas, they have been repealed or lengthened dramatically as a result of the scandals of recent years, but the changes effect only NEW crimes).
So, up until about 5 years ago, child sexual abuse had to be charged within 2 to 3 years, after that charges could no longer be brought.
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@ncscswitch:
So, up until about 5 years ago, child sexual abuse had to be charged within 2 to 3 years, after that charges could no longer be brought.
what kind of law is it?
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Statute of Limitations. The United States (and many other nations) have a time limit on how long after a crime has occurred that it can be prosecuted in court. There are a LOT of reasons why this is a good idea and is very valuable to our system, but I will not go into them here.
The only crime in the US that has NO statute of limitations is murder. All other crimes, once a pre-set amount of time has passed, cannot be criminally charged. Most crimes have a statute of limitations of from 2 to 5 years.
TRIALS can occur decades later, but the CHARGES have to be filed within the time frame allowed under the Statute of Limitations.
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nobody still didnt told me why arent the accused priests accused for jail sentences, if they done something like these then there shouldn be any bargains, this is not theft, or something to do with money, the whole story doesnt have anthing with money, if they are guilty they should go to jail, and if Church failed to solve the problems then they can speak with the Chruch about Church donating money to prevent this, or in some other charity
These holy men aren’t doing jail time because it’s far easier for the Catholic church to pay $660M than to have the broadcast media plastered with every Catholic diocese on TV for the length of the scandal and trial.
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nobody still didnt told me why arent the accused priests accused for jail sentences, if they done something like these then there shouldn be any bargains, this is not theft, or something to do with money, the whole story doesnt have anthing with money, if they are guilty they should go to jail, and if Church failed to solve the problems then they can speak with the Chruch about Church donating money to prevent this, or in some other charity
These holy men aren’t doing jail time because it’s far easier for the Catholic church to pay $660M than to have the broadcast media plastered with every Catholic diocese on TV for the length of the scandal and trial.
is it?
what kind of message is this, i think both conservatives and the libertarians wont be satisified with these, there is no victory if the responsible are not judged,
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well, i am not quite sure if i understand what you tried to say here but it seems to me you are insulting, big time
I was using it in the sense that Switch describes, as a joke.
i dont judge you, but believe you in God or not, there is a line, and you have crossed way down it :-(
Perhaps you don’t judge me, but your faith does.
and say what you want but beetwen protestant clergy and all other lay man, ateists…( besides muslims and some animalistic beliefs, so i dont affend them as i dont know them ) is much more in % number of pedofils, and deviant people than beetwen catholic clergy
It doesn’t matter - this is just distraction.
I don’t care who else does it, the Church needs to be responsible for their actions. And they acted dishonorably for many years, so they pay.i see you have hatred for Church and for it stands for as you simply cant accept it, that the Church will never give up on protecting the values that mean something, we are not perfect, we are a ˝bark that leaks on all sides˝, but as our Lord said to Peter the gates of hell want overpower us, who are you to think you can :x
I don’t care either way for the church, I wish more people tried to live like Jesus, but it’s people that ruin the faith, not the faith itself.
Funny that you should mention hell, because I don’t necessarily believe in it, but you are damning me for no other reason than I’m not in your stupid club.
And before you react to my stupid club statement, let me say that all faiths are stupid clubs, I can just tolerate some faiths and their adherents (or even individual people of various faiths) more than others. I don’t see Switch criticizing my life…the thing is that this priests should if they done anything wrong be sentenced to prison, to prison!!!
Except that some of them are dead, and this trial would go beyond single priests to how the Church mishandled the situation, knowing what was going on.
if not than all this thing is ridiculous, if its so, to insist on getting some money to ˝get even˝ something and then not insisting on suing them, so they dont hurt nobody anymore, and that with strong punishments the number of these crime reduces
The Church chose to settle.
It’s a shame that money is the preferred medium of restitution, but I don’t know what result would be better.i would say its a pact with the devil
and the devil here is also in Churches lines, not just in USA, so you dont think i have anything against youNot at all, but think of this money as penance.
and yes, i ll pray to God that he helps me, i find myself a sinner, and a weak mean,
You do realize that you are doing this to yourself, don’t you?
and just one thing , i dont have anything against you, just against that what you ( sometimes, most of the time ) write and what you stand for, if you stand for something, indeed stand for something
Aren’t what I write, say, and stand for tantamount to me?
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Aren’t what I write, say, and stand for tantamount to me?
not quite, you see if you stand for something that is bad, or evil in its nature or if you support something that istn right and justice than i must condemn those actions and type of behaviour
what i tried to say is that i dont dislike you in a way that i would hatred is too strong word, i dont know the word
well, i could talk to you, and cooperate with you in some stuff even knowing your world view is opposite than my is, afcorse only if/until you break the line and start insulting my God, faith, Country, family…
i didnt know how to quote paste everything you wrote so i just took this one
and neither me or my faith judges you, and you either said it from hatred towards the Church or from lack of knowledge, either way you should pair more attention to what you write
you have condemned yourself by yourself :cry:
and if i get it right you arent for the idea that priests that made those crimes should be sentenced to jail sentences?
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and yes, i ll pray to God that he helps me, i find myself a sinner, and a weak mean,
You do realize that you are doing this to yourself, don’t you?
well i can see through your sarcasm, if i get it right, i apologise if its because of my poor english that i get it wrong
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and say what you want but beetwen protestant clergy and all other lay man, ateists…( besides muslims and some animalistic beliefs, so i dont affend them as i dont know them ) is much more in % number of pedofils, and deviant people than beetwen catholic clergy
It doesn’t matter - this is just distraction.
I don’t care who else does it, the Church needs to be responsible for their actions. And they acted dishonorably for many years, so they pay.i see you have hatred for Church and for it stands for as you simply cant accept it, that the Church will never give up on protecting the values that mean something, we are not perfect, we are a ˝bark that leaks on all sides˝, but as our Lord said to Peter the gates of hell want overpower us, who are you to think you can :x
I don’t care either way for the church, I wish more people tried to live like Jesus, but it’s people that ruin the faith, not the faith itself.
Funny that you should mention hell, because I don’t necessarily believe in it, but you are damning me for no other reason than I’m not in your stupid club.
And before you react to my stupid club statement, let me say that all faiths are stupid clubs, I can just tolerate some faiths and their adherents (or even individual people of various faiths) more than others. I don’t see Switch criticizing my life…if i criticise you it was in good intentions, there is something called positive criticism, with desire to help
but last time i looked i wasnt even criticising your life, just your statements, switch is a liberal but that doesnt mean i have anything against you or him beacuse you are an ˝ateist˝ and he is a liberal. but if i renounce for what i stand for, than its better that i am goneand i am trying to do it in a way of not hurting and insulting anybody, if i crossed that line than i apologise
but that still doesnt mean you can spit on everything that means something to me in my life, and when i condemn your actions you will just stay, but switch doesnt insults me or something like that
you know very easily how to criticise with bad intensions, and arent willing to accept positive criticism, well sorry but it isnt right :?
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i see you have hatred for Church and for it stands for as you simply cant accept it, that the Church will never give up on protecting the values that mean something, we are not perfect, we are a ˝bark that leaks on all sides˝, but as our Lord said to Peter the gates of hell want overpower us, who are you to think you can :x
I don’t care either way for the church, I wish more people tried to live like Jesus, but it’s people that ruin the faith, not the faith itself.
Funny that you should mention hell, because I don’t necessarily believe in it, but you are damning me for no other reason than I’m not in your stupid club.
And before you react to my stupid club statement, let me say that all faiths are stupid clubs, I can just tolerate some faiths and their adherents (or even individual people of various faiths) more than others. I don’t see Switch criticizing my life…well, now you tryin to say you want to insult all religious communities, that it isnt just Catholic Church, well you are an ˝ateist˝ and i wouldnt call your ˝ateist˝ club stupid unless your only goal is to fight the true moral values for what Church and some other stand for, and i still dont know you that much that i can say it for you, but even still i wouldn insult you, at least i would try not to as its in the tendencies of my faith, to respect the dignity of every man
and i didnt mentioned hell beacuse of you, nor trying to link you with it, it was a quotiation from The Bible
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I wish more people tried to live like Jesus, but it’s people that ruin the faith, not the faith itself.
well i dont totally agree with this one but its a start :-) :-) :-)
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not quite, you see if you stand for something that is bad, or evil in its nature or if you support something that istn right and justice than i must condemn those actions and type of behaviour
Nothing is evil in nature: it is what it is, and humans try to attribute/give it meaning in someway by calling it good or evil. It’s a concept made by man.
well, i could talk to you, and cooperate with you in some stuff even knowing your world view is opposite than my is, afcorse only if/until you break the line and start insulting my God, faith, Country, family…
Of course, that is the only way, but I don’t insult anyone deliberately, unless, perhaps, they deserve it.
and neither me or my faith judges you, and you either said it from hatred towards the Church or from lack of knowledge, either way you should pair more attention to what you write
Of course you have, as well as your faith. I’m an atheist, by your admission, automatically resigning me to hell, according to your faith.
you have condemned yourself by yourself :cry:
I force people of your or similar faiths to tell me to go to hell?
and if i get it right you arent for the idea that priests that made those crimes should be sentenced to jail sentences?
No, I’m all for it, if possible. But this case wasn’t against the priests, it was against the diocese for failing to act appropriately with its own priests’ actions.
well i can see through your sarcasm, if i get it right, i apologise if its because of my poor english that i get it wrong
No sarcasm intended.
I was saying that the guilt is yours alone, brought upon your own expectations, and whether you actions met those expectations or not.
There is no God punishing you or forcing you to seek redemption - you do this on your own, from your own beliefs. Had you been raised an atheist, reality would be the same way, just possibly your expectations, actions, and feelings about them might be different.
There is a God, because you think there is a God, but that doesn’t mean God exists universally.and say what you want but beetwen protestant clergy and all other lay man, ateists…( besides muslims and some animalistic beliefs, so i dont affend them as i dont know them ) is much more in % number of pedofils, and deviant people than beetwen catholic clergy
It doesn’t matter - this is just distraction.
I don’t care who else does it, the Church needs to be responsible for their actions. And they acted dishonorably for many years, so they pay.if i criticise you it was in good intentions, there is something called positive criticism, with desire to help
but last time i looked i wasnt even criticising your life, just your statements, switch is a liberal but that doesnt mean i have anything against you or him beacuse you are an ˝ateist˝ and he is a liberal. but if i renounce for what i stand for, than its better that i am goneActually, I don’t think you’ve really criticized me, I was meaning “you” in the sense of Catholics in general, as opposed to Switch, whose faith is non-Christian. How do you know Switch isn’t an atheist?
and i am trying to do it in a way of not hurting and insulting anybody, if i crossed that line than i apologise
No apology necessary as you haven’t insulted me. balung bashes me quite a few times a day, at least indirectly, and I don’t require an apology from him. You wouldn’t be the first to criticize me anyway.
but that still doesnt mean you can spit on everything that means something to me in my life, and when i condemn your actions you will just stay, but switch doesnt insults me or something like that
I’ve hardly spit on anything.
Your view is that your belief is correct, normal, preferred. Excuse me if I feel annoyed that I find this belief to be wrong & conceited.you know very easily how to criticise with bad intensions, and arent willing to accept positive criticism, well sorry but it isnt right :?
You are confusing snark with a desire to destroy. I gladly will accept positive criticism, but if you are suggesting I convert, then no thanks.
well, know you tryin to say you want to insult all religious communities, that it isnt just Catholic Church, well you are an ˝ateist˝ and i wouldnt call your ˝ateist˝ club stupid unless your only goal is to fight the true moral values for what Church and some other stand for, and i still dont know you that much that i can say it for you, but even still i wouldn insult you, at least i would try not to as its in the tendencies of my faith, to respect the dignity of every man
and i didnt mentioned hell beacuse of you, nor trying to link you with it, it was a quotiation from The Bible
Atheism isn’t a club. In fact, it’s the default belief/nonbelief.
Belief is voluntary, not a requirement. I just find the thought of organized religion absurd, some less than others though. What really bothers me is when a religion that is supposed to be about love, tolerance, all of humankind, damns other religions that tolerate, or damns people not associated with the organization. -
Well Devil is evil total evil, pure evil, he was an Angel, but he has choosen death
Of course you have, as well as your faith. I’m an atheist, by your admission, automatically resigning me to hell, according to your faith.
I put ˝ateist˝ like this. Beacuse i believe( and many people and teologists agree) that there simply are no ateists. Every man believes, the tendecies towards faiths is implanted in every human. And there is none which hadnt had supernatural experience, who hasnt feeled God´s love, neither he is aware of it or not.
Just if someone says he is an ateist it doesnt have to be so. He can lie, or he could be wrong
I force people of your or similar faiths to tell me to go to hell?
i never said this, you can even die as an ˝ateist˝ and save maybe, God´s grace is boundless. Its just didnt all people receive the same, so all wouldnt be treated the same
i am not encouraging you to continue like this, afcorse but you are indeed condemning you with your own words, and it will turn you back in this world, hope not in the other for your sake
No sarcasm intended.
I was saying that the guilt is yours alone, brought upon your own expectations, and whether you actions met those expectations or not.
There is no God punishing you or forcing you to seek redemption - you do this on your own, from your own beliefs. Had you been raised an atheist, reality would be the same way, just possibly your expectations, actions, and feelings about them might be different.
There is a God, because you think there is a God, but that doesn’t mean God exists universally.yes i should thank God for puting me in a christian family, youre right
and i stand for my actions, i respond for what i ve done, for what i didnt believe, and for what i believed inActually, I don’t think you’ve really criticized me, I was meaning “you” in the sense of Catholics in general, as opposed to Switch, whose faith is non-Christian. How do you know Switch isn’t an atheist?
i dont know, even if he is, that doesnt mean i am going to send him PM and tell him to convert, i could do that, but i dont see it as a good solution in my heart
i respect him, and if he is a beliver, or monoteist, or even christian than i am happy for him:)I’ve hardly spit on anything.
Your view is that your belief is correct, normal, preferred. Excuse me if I feel annoyed that I find this belief to be wrong & conceited.no it isnt in that, you can disagree with me here, but the way in which you act is what matters, you are trying to sotonize the Church and even dont believe that Satan exists, well , ididnt mean anything bad here so…
You are confusing snark with a desire to destroy. I gladly will accept positive criticism, but if you are suggesting I convert, then no thanks.
what is snark? i dont suggest anything, i dont want to destroy you or anybody else, and when did i mentioned you to convert to christianity, so what if i say something about my faith ii immediately means i wont to convert you, man, if your country has been 400 years under torture of Otoman rule you would know what means forcing to convert
this is simply ridiculousAtheism isn’t a club. In fact, it’s the default belief/nonbelief.
Belief is voluntary, not a requirement. I just find the thought of organized religion absurd, some less than others though. What really bothers me is when a religion that is supposed to be about love, tolerance, all of humankind, damns other religions that tolerate, or damns people not associated with the organization.again you are acusing me for something i have never said, or even if i said earlier on this forum what i wihdrawn
i respect other religions, other people, and dont hate ateists
take the Holy Father´s words, and tell me what he damns, if you are refering to that speach about islam, it was put out of context, pope was in fact said several times what he thinks about islam and muslims, so…
and sorry, but i dont have more will for this beacuse it simply takes much time
i just hope the priests if they are guilty will be sentenced and that Church will strengtheen, and fight against pedofila and other evil with more decision
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sorry i wasnt able to put in two colors correctly, but its pretty obvious who said what
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