• Hey guys! I’m still relatively new at this game but we had a German player play the “Dark Skies” strategy on me (Russia), I assumed I could buy AAA’s to counter his SBR’s but I guess thats not the case, because they cant fire on raids? Is this true? My group was under the assumption that the one factory built AAA can and that’s it. Any others you build can only fire during combat phases at fighters, bombers. Please let me know what the deal is!

    Thanks Guys!

  • '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16

    AA guns could still be used to counter attacks on ground units.

    Probably not the best use of IPCs, but they could be used that way…


  • Yes but the AA’s I build, can they shoot at strategic bombers that raid?

  • '19 '17 '16

    No but you can station a number of allied fighters on Moscow as interceptors. In G40.2, these only attack on a one though. Better to house rule escorts and interceptors rolling a 2 but that’s something for next game now.


  • @Anygivensunday8:

    Yes but the AA�s I build, can they shoot at strategic bombers that raid?

    No.  During a strategic bombing raid the AA gun that is shooting at the bombers is, more or less, IN the factories and has nothing to do with the AA guns you are able to move around.

    Those AA guns, represented by actual pieces on the board, only shoot when defending during normal combat and NEVER fire during bombing raids.  They also participate in normal combat as casualties, but do not shoot at ground units, and even against planes only fire once.

    Your only way to defend more against a bombing raid is fighters.  Or, attack the space their bombers are sitting in, I suppose, would work, too, but almost certainly not an option based on your scenario.


  • Got it. Thanks guys!


  • To counter strategic bombing you need fighters. Only fighters (and the strategic bomber/s) get too fight before strategic bombing, the target industry/airfield/port too gets AA vs incoming surviving bombers but that’s it (AA guns can not be used).

    If Germnay has loads off fighters in escort it gets tough, but those will not fight at all if you feel it is to much and leave your fighters on the ground.
    The problem is if Germany has laods of startegic bombers, you will never shoot down them all…
    'd say make sure your fighters survive and have several, if all german planes are in Russia the Atlantic wall will be breached by your allies. Also You can get British and/or US fighters to help from India/elsewhere?

  • '17 '16

    Assuming Fg are @1 in SBR per OOB rules, for each bomber, you need to launch 2 Fgs to keep things not too much in favor of attacker.
    If you cannot bring more than 1 Fg per 1 bomber raiding, it is a loosing proposition for Soviet Union, because Germany can take more casualties.

  • '19 '17 '16

    If Germany is attacking Moscow with naked bombers, ie no fighter escorts, it is still a positive expected value for ussr to send up interceptors when it is one on one because on the average, you will stop some bombing. For Germany, it is roughly a wash when 3 bombers are on four interceptors. So if Germany buys a third bomber, which they should, you really need 5 fighters  to take sbr out of the equation.

  • '17 '16

    @simon33:

    If Germany is attacking Moscow with naked bombers, ie no fighter escorts, it is still a positive expected value for ussr to send up interceptors when it is one on one because on the average, you will stop some bombing. For Germany, it is roughly a wash when 3 bombers are on four interceptors. So if Germany buys a third bomber, which they should, you really need 5 fighters  to take sbr out of the equation.

    I don’t understand your explanation.
    On one side Germany is using 3 bombers against Soviet 4 Fighters.
    On the other side, you say if Germany purchase a third bomber?

    Did you meant a fourth bomber?
    So 4 German bombers against 5 Soviet Fighters, there going to max out IC but a few damage points will be lost in the process or a StBs lost to interceptor or Flak.
    So German’s player might think twice before sending more than 3 bombers.

  • '19 '17 '16

    Germany starts with 2 bombers. They need to purchase a third bomber.

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