G42 German/Italian Strategy Discussion

Try this Allied strategy.

1. Russia consolidate your Russian Asian infantry and tank in Yakut LEAVE THEM THERE, abandon Karelia and move the anti aircraft gun from Karelia to Caucuss move all infantry in Russia and Karelia tanks and fighters to Caucuss.  Then when Germany takes Karelia fall back to Russia Moscow Buy nothing but infantry the whole game and place in Russia. Moving the  AA has a good reason.

2. UK wait to see if Japan does Pearl Harbor if they do buy an Industrial complex in India.  If they do not wait to see if Japan goes for India or attack toward NW Russia. If Japan is dead set on India don’t waste the money on an industrial complex.  begin buying fighters with UK and fly them into Moscow ( now you know why i moved the AA gun from Karelia to Caucus).  Once Moscow has about 10 fighters begin switching to bombers with UK and industrial bomb Germany(another reason why we moved the AA gun from Karalia to Caucuss). Wait for the American Navy to arrive at UK before buying any Navy.  Germany will buy an AA gun in Karelia but the turn or two helps and also it costs money.  UK and America should be buying Bombers and relentlessly industrial bombing Germany.

3. America If Japan does Pearl Harbor buy 1 Bomber per turn moving to England every turn.  Slowly build up your navy and once it is large enough to withstand the German aircraft move to UK waters.  Take back Africa ASAP.  I like to leave the main naval at UK and and have another group of transports at USA and every turn i can land infantry at Western Europe by rotating the transports from UK to USA. If Japan does not “Pearl Harbor” move the American fleet from Pacific to the Atlantic.  and take Africa and start putting pressure on Western Europe ASAP.

Once the Allied industrial bombing has slowed Germany down enough were Russia Cannot be taken you can start pounding Western Europe with Infantry and the bombers and Naval.  and Also buy a few tanks with Russia to start attacking Germany on both sides.  Japan will not be able to crack the UK fighters and Russian infantry in Russia alone.

I have lost to this strategy only twice in probably 10 games at local tournaments. I loose sometimes to the same guy who spends one turn with Germany buying all tanks and then buys nothing but infantry the rest of the game.  He also does not “Pearl Harbor” he uses the Japanese navy to blitz India then in turn buys a industrial complex at India and Burma then buys nothing but tanks and bombers  with Japan he uses Japanese bombers to industrial bomb Russia and attacks with a few tanks every turn.  He pounds Russia relentlessly from Japan and Germany over and over not caring about losses however he would retreat if attacking before he takes casualties with his German aircraft. He sometimes breaks through and takes Moscow.

But he says that this Allied strategy is tough to beat and he is the best player i have seen yet. i have been playing Axis for 13 years.

America is a bit slow but is the force of the Allies.  I usually abandon Asia and just move the fighter and infantry to India if Japan does not kill them.  Then i buy 1 bomber per turn move to UK and industrial bomb Germany every turn while building up my navy at USA.  Once my navy is large enough to withstand German aircraft i move to UK and have a fleet of transports at UK and USA and rotate every turn to attack western Europe every turn.  If Japan does not Pearl Harbor i normally move the Navy to UK to get Germany on a 2 front war ASAP.

If Japan does not “Pearl Harbor” Sometimes i buy subs first turn consolidate my USA navy then attack Japans waters and force them to buy industrial complexes and buying time to buildup India with UK and possibly place US industrial complexes in Asia.  This can really put japan back a turn or two. it really hurts Japan if they are buying transports if they see it coming they are force to defend by buying navy or buy industrial complexes which takes pressure off of Russia and India.

Well not having played the Spring 42’ version I’ll base my theory on the original version as the US you go last, which is a good thing, in the respect that you get to react, which is much better then deciding on an action, you can judge where and when your needed and act accordingly, if Britain and Russia have Germany on the ropes concentrate mostly on the Pacific, if the they need help concentrate mostly on the atlantic.

now when Japan takes out my carrier in pearl I’ll build another and stock it with the fighters from the mainland with the california BB and transport as tag alongs, with those 3 and a transport or two more you have some island hoppers to invade the Japanese held islands with.

and if you can get Britain and Russia to kick Japan off the Asian land mass Japan will be done with.

The UK Indian Ocean fleet.

Please refer to the topic "strategic planner vs. nutbar game for how we play and advice giving. Thank you.

Just played some 3 rounds against a player who did that.
Germany went very weak with a regular R1, ukraine won for soviets (1 tank remaining) And a very risky but succesful sz5 (baltic) attack.

This made uk take norway r1, and build in counter 3 destroyers+1 transport
R2 was allied mass in sz 12 (gibraltar). Germany never dared to attack.

Guess what? Bombing costed me around 10 IPCs total, but no bomber was lost on any raids.

This and many other experiences make me think that bombing is weak.  You risk 12, for 0 if you get hit; 0 for 3.5 if you don’t.
Not to mention that optional rule of escorts… which we don’t use anymore.

I like the Baltic carrier build. The case against it is that it’s five less inf moving towards Russia, but without a carrier, you’re going to use those Inf to defend the coast anyway. The only time I don’t build it, is if Russia’s first round attacks went really bad.

@habs4life9:

Let’s say you moved the Moscow ftr to China on R1 and you won Indochina with the 3 inf 1 ftr plus crusier bombard attack on UK1. That means you did not counter in Egypt, which means the German are totally free to blitz Africa. This will do the Allies in in the end. In addition, even with the Indochina forces taken out, Japan can still hit China with 5 inf, its bmr, the Japan ftr and the Manch ftr. Japan can still set up its shuck. Only now they will have to choose between giving up Manch to the Russians or surrendering Shanghai to the British. They’d probably save Shanghai and send their shuck over there instead of to Manch, so they can’t hit Buryatia. But Manch is a small price to pay for the sake of Japan advancing through China regardless and working to protect Shanghai, because Germany is strong as hell now. Japan’s navy is sufficient to keep the Americans at bay in the Pacific for a few rounds. I think a skilled Germany can reach Moscow quicker than the Allies can break down the Japanese defenses in E.Asia and/or the Pacific, and at that point it’s game over. I just don’t like KJF because it seems entirely too risky.

Germany can have some of Africa for the first couple rounds but steps can be taken as early as round 1 to stop them if you forgo the Egypt counter. It all depends with how much he won Egypt with. Say if it’s with one tank, you can fight with an INF and a bomber.

Every allied strat is dependant on what Germany did. Even still, with such a head start in Asia, the allies can divert forces back to Caucus from india. With no or minimal land forces and two factories, Russia never has to worry about diverting forces backwards. It is risky but any winning strat involves risk against experienced players.