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Author Topic: 1942.2 Strategy Guide Introduction: Feedback Appreciated  (Read 9970 times)
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2015, 02:16:44 am »
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Thank you, Black_Elk, for sharing your great, compendium-like ideas about the game in such an entertaining way of writing.
And thank you, Private Panic, for your feedback - which included "editing".

I must admit, that when I started reading (and I still have by far not finished reading), I at first had a hard time getting all those information from my computer screen. So - as Private Panic - editing thoughts came to my mind.

First I used the Chrome built-in PDF-printer to print the "print-version" of the thread as PDF. This increased readability a lot.

Then I copy-pasted the content into a Word-document and manually did some editing - so did Private Panic.

At a later time I found out that you (BE) edited some content in this thread - so my editing experience started again. wink

As writing a "Strategy Guide" is a living process (for a long time) an idea came to my mind:

Why not use Google Docs for this 'project'?

This would reduce the forum-sided complexity to a single link to the document.

All interested forum members could have read-only access to the latest version of the document, just following the published link.
Write-access can be granted to selected people and attachments would not be needed.


Just my thoughts on the editing-issue.  smiley
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2015, 03:13:35 am »
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Don't know about Google Docs Panther - was going to use Word - but happy to take advice and do what others think best. smiley

BE - tell me if not Word - plus I might need help if Google Docs.
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2015, 03:18:31 am »
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https://www.google.com/intl/en/docs/about/

There are other, similar solutions of course, but this one might be the most popular.
The browser-based user interface is Word-like, but a lot easier.

I am happy to help, if needed.  smiley


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Just a simple example of 'how it looks like' when a document is published "read-only":
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12_yY9OEjpoi1cBgHQQ4qHSAwRIMaPTgwrLt9ldszufg/

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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2015, 06:02:23 am »
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Well - I followed Panthers first link and created a "1942.2 Axis & Allies Article" document in which I copied and pasted BE's article from the Print tab here. 62 pages.

Shared with BE using his e-mail address.  Can you see it BE?

Would have shared with Panther but I don't have his e-mail address.

Happy to edit from there next week if this works for BE.  Does it?

Anyone else I should share it with while I am editing it?

It will be learning as I go so forgive any errors along the way.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2015, 06:24:14 am »
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Quote from: Private Panic

Would have shared with Panther but I don't have his e-mail address.

Happy to edit from there next week if this works for BE.  Does it?

Anyone else I should share it with while I am editing it?

It will be learning as I go so forgive any errors along the way.

I'll send you a PM with my mail address. Thanks  smiley
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2015, 08:50:35 am »
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Google doc is great for web collaboration even though functionally it is less powerful as Web.  If you guys put in Google Doc I love to contribute too if I have any (thought BE one is pretty complete on its own  grin)
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2015, 09:44:18 am »
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I love this idea! The docs  grin

I was slammed at work and doing mothers day stuff, but I just had a look. So much cleaner already. Fantastic

Catch you guys in a few. Best!
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2015, 09:56:38 am »
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Google doc is great for web collaboration even though functionally it is less powerful as Web.  If you guys put in Google Doc I love to contribute too if I have any (thought BE one is pretty complete on its own  grin)

Hi innohub

Can I beg a few days' grace to finish my edit task first. When I have a version that BE is happy with I'll make it available for you to review in whatever way BE prefers.

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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2015, 01:58:25 pm »
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Of course.  Looking forward to your great stuff grin
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2015, 08:08:01 pm »
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Also thinking a little bit more on the factory unit. From a purchasing standpoint, the main consideration is probably still total income over anything else. If you have already achieved the maximum transport capacity off your coastal factories, or achieve a level in the ground game where you are making more money than you could reasonably spend at your facilities on the mass infantry spam, it can make sense to buy new production. This is usually only a consideration for the dominant nation on the map. So for example, when a nation achieves about +1/3rd of their starting ipcs in conquered territory, then production buys can be interesting.  Usually this factory game is played exclusively between Japan, USA and to a lesser extent UK.

Japan starts with 30 ipcs, when they achieve 40 ipcs a round, it often makes sense to buy new production. Most players will buy this either in a forward territory like East Indies, Borneo or FIC, or the safe territory next to the home sea zone, Manchuria. Once they get up into the mid 50s it might make sense to do this again, to put max ground and especially tanks into Eurasia immediately each round. With 24 ipcs income you can shuck 8 inf units out of Japan. With the support factory you can up this production value to between 10 or 12 ground units a round, 36 ipcs in infantry, with the remainder spent on upgrades to art/armor or on air/naval buys. With India that raises the total production in the region up to potentially 13-15 ground units (if you bought a support factory.) That takes 45 ipcs right there to max spam just infantry, so you really want to be collecting pretty heavy as Japan before you go for the second factory. The older games were a bit different in this respect, because India didn't have a starting factory back then (Classic, Revised, AA50 etc), and tanks were 1 ipc cheaper. Still expanding 5 production points for a cost of 30 ipcs, to drop 5 extra units per round directly into Asia can be very useful. Or up to 7 units a round for that same cost, if they build out of a money island and Manchuria. Additional factories almost always makes sense for Japan, when they are in the ascendant, the only danger of a factory expansion comes right at the beginning under full KJF conditions, otherwise its generally a strong play.

For USA, starting income is at 42 ipcs. To get them all the way up to the mid 50s in ipcs (using my +1/3rd of starting income shorthand) requires that the Americans have either made a full Pacific press with success, or have begun their landings in Europe. In this situation production can be advisable, especially if you're taking the money islands from Japan, but sometimes also in a KGF, at a location like Norway.

For UK the situation is a bit more complicated. They start at 31 ipcs, and usually this value will be diminishing. Getting them up into the 40s through luck and perseverance can happen on occasion, but UK is usually cash strapped required to spend everything they can for max placement at existing facilities. But UK can also occasionally benefit from a "bluff buy" or a factory  in South Africa, which they can't afford to fill forever, but which might give them enough of an early mobility advantage to deter Axis forays into Africa. I've seen this work, and it was a strong strategy in Classic going back to early SA days, but in the newer boards I think its rather brazen. The UK just has a hard time on this board in early rounds, with everything to do, and never enough money to do it haha.

I said earlier that Russia doesn't benefit from production buys. I can maybe stretch to imagine rare situations where they might work. Russia starts out at 24. If they get up to 32 ipcs or more per round, like in a full KGF or KJF endgame where the Allies are already totally crushing hehe. The game might be entertaining, but under normal 1942.2 circumstance, never. Germany starts with 41 ipcs, if they get up to around 55 ipcs, again maybe a production buy would work to tilt the balance on the eastern front, or to expand naval production. But again, that seems rare and rather unlikely.

The Factory can also be used as a bait or a draw, if you place one in a contested area of the map, but one where you have a positional advantage. The idea being that the enemy will see you drop the factory and then gun for it, attempting to "steal" your production investment, or get a "free" factory out of the trade. So that's the bait, trying to draw enemy units into a position where they can be destroyed, or at least distracted. Egypt, SA, Norway and the Pacific money islands can be used this way.

There is also the school of thought that buys factories to lock down some peripheral territory or region, or some specific sea zone. Basically with infantry or destroyer spams. These can help to secure income into the endgame or to secure a defense power or counter attack advantage. East Indies and Borneo seem particularly ideal when used this way. Basically 2 or 3 rounds of solid ground builds, and its nearly impossible for the enemy to retake such islands once they have a factory. Sometimes Japan can take this approach early as a way to secure the income in the Pacific vs a sudden Allied build up.

Other considerations that might come into play with the factory unit are things like blocking actions. A factory is a permanent blocker. Once bought it can't be removed. This can sometimes make a factory buy on the Eastern Front interesting, in the event that USA or UK takes one of those spaces during a KGF scenario. Provided Germany is not in a position to take and stack it, the factory can prevent certain blitz routes. I've seen this happen occasionally in W. Russia, usually in the hopes that USA can drop 2 units directly onto the Russian front line, and be stack supported with Russian units/Air immediately. Basically any "originally German" territory on the eastern front could potentially be used this way, its rare, but might be a reason for preserving those American infantry in Szech for exactly this kind of late game play. A similar build can also be achieved by UK, with a tank rush. The danger here is that G takes the factory and stacks it eventually, but it can force heavy trading if USA or UK wants to ignite the dynamite, and then leave the Soviets to clean up the mess when they bounce, in W. Russia for example hehe
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I think factory units are fun. Even at the OOB cost of 15 they can be entertaining. A good factory game on 1942.2 can be the among the most intense.
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2015, 03:04:40 am »
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Elk - when you have a finished Factory section added to the Google doc then let me know whether you want me to edit in the same way ....

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« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2015, 03:07:12 pm »
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Epic post guys,keep up the good work  cool
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2015, 01:45:13 pm »
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Control of the Center: Just like in chess, the player who has the most attack power covering the middle of the game board has the overall advantage and the best chances to prevail in the endgame.

Broadly speaking the center is that swath of Russian and British starting territory that separates Germany from Japan overland in Eurasia. Most specifically it refers to the territory of Moscow itself, and the pivot territories immediately surrounding Moscow, especially Caucasus, but also West Russia and Kazakh. These last three territories form a little scalene Triangle of Doom around the Russians, if the Axis manage to break one of those corners and stack it, the Allied position can rapidly collapse. But the center also extends beyond Moscow, and the production choke point of Caucasus, to cover all those territories and sea zones that stand in the way of Axis convergence at the middle of the gameboard.

It radiates out from Moscow, and involves territories like India, and Egypt/Trans (Suez), Persia, Karelia/Arch, Novos, Evenki and Ukraine.

This region of the map is a focal point for turn order exploits, many plays that involve grouping teamed units together, to project an increased attack/defense power over the course of multiple turns.

In the long term, all nations are trying to stack heavy ground in this region, in order to first deadzone and then dominate the rich production/income at the center. And long term, it is the attack/defense power of Infantry and Artillery that is the undisputed king. But in the nearer term, during early rounds, players can use the "movement" advantage of air units and armor to try and tilt the balance in one direction or the other. Here air transits and tank drives are used to back up the movement of inf/art stacks and cover them as they push around and work to get into position.

So long as the Allies are able to maintain a wedge between the two Axis powers, their overall economic strength and turn order advantage (3 turns rather than 2), makes Center control relatively straight forward. But as soon as Axis achieve economic parity, and start chiseling away at the key pivot territories and production pockets around Moscow, the balance in the war could easily start to favor Axis. Everyone is trying to get the pendulum to swing their way.

There are two schools of thought here. Once is to push heavy inf and artillery stacks early, then catch up in later rounds with more mobile units. This is the more conservative style of gameplay, that puts a premium on the gaining the late game advantage with larger ground numbers. Usually you'll be giving up some territory/income early on, in the hopes of recouping it later, during the mid-game rounds, once those ground forces have moved to the front.

Another school of thought, is to use the mobile units first, to strike forward early, and then hold the line. It can be effective as a way to achieve more income early on and to deny the enemy control of a key production location, or a critical choke point. This is the more radical or risky style of gameplay, where you launch to front early with the heavy hitters (expensive, high TUV units, like tanks or air) and then play catch up with your ground stacks. Here the danger is always of overextending yourself too early, and getting caught up in a defensive logistics quagmire. From the German perspective, this where burst ahead in the opening rounds and then dig. Instead of attacking forward against Moscow, your focus is rather to take a Russian factory and then hold it while you wait for the Japanese to arrive and make up the difference on defense power. From the Allied perspective its usually the choice between setting up a fighter/tank wall to cover the center, or actually launching ground forces and marching them towards the center (which requires transports and pushing over several rounds.)

I think there are merits to either approach, and also ways to do them both in tandem, with hybrid buys over several rounds, or with a different role/purchasing focus for each nation on the team. But ultimately the side who controls the center is the side who has "time" on their side. At the beginning of 1942 it is the Axis who have to face down the ticking of the clock, but if they take Moscow that dynamic essentially reverses. Eurasia becomes like a huge island that Axis can cover with an air shield, and since they no longer have the pressure of convergence with Japan, or cracking Moscow, they are free to redirect their cash for other things... like new naval armadas or bomber wings! Basically, its a huge pain for the Allies to recover the center in the endgame once they lose it to the Axis.

Some Allied players will make the calculation that it is more profitable to take a starting Axis capital, even at the expense of losing Moscow, in order to offset the loss, trade capitals and then carry things into the endgame with the Anglo-Americans alone 2v2. That is the "anything goes" sort of deep endgame, which is harder to pin down, since it often turns on narrow climactic battles and fast paced TUV exchanges. This is the Classic KGF or KJF type game from Allies.

There is a third version of Allied victory strategy though. A ready acronym to describe it is escaping me, but basically it involves the Allies just grinding it out at the Center, on the assumption that as long as the Allies this region, and maintain control of London and Moscow, there is virtually no way for Axis to win regardless of how much money they are making. Red Turtle tactics and the like.

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2015, 11:15:54 am »
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Elk - when you have a finished Factory section added to the Google doc then let me know whether you want me to edit in the same way ....

I would definitely vote for the 'Factory-section' as well as the 'Control of the Center-section' as being part of the "Strategy-Guide".
So why not edit it in... just my thoughts of course...
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2015, 01:51:54 pm »
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Happy to do so Panther.

Do you want me to take these sections as drafted here Elk and slot them in with editing?

Shall I also share the resulting work in progress doc with the forum for feedback? I might start a new thread to avoid it getting lost.

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