• If Germany hasn’t taken Finland on it’s first move, can Russia invade Finland?


  • found the answer… neutral status pervents Russia from attacking


  • Correct.
    I am so nice, of course, that I would point out to my opponent that he had forgotten to move in in Non Combat and insist he did!

    It is frustrating to play Russia in the first few turns if Germany/Italy has not invaded, as you are desperate to move into the  Middle East and claim your NO.
    I like to pile a few units into China after declaring war on Japan. I find that allieviates the war monger in me.
    I hope you are enjoying playing 1940. It is a great game.


  • When I’m playing Russia i have a much more patient “come at me” approach to being Neutral. The longer I left alone the longer I’ll leave you alone. and build and build and build


  • @wittmann:

    I like to pile a few units into China after declaring war on Japan. I find that allieviates the war monger in me.

    And how exact are you able to move into China when you are playing on the Europe map only ….uh.


  • @DarthBlitz:

    found the answer… neutral status pervents Russia from attacking

    Now that was gamey even if the Rulebook says so. Nothing prevented Russia from attacking neutral Poland, Finland, Latvia, Estland, Lithuania and Persia in 1939, so I figure the rules are derogatory. I guess it would be a more fun game if Russia did not have status as neutral, and could be allowed to attack any one from turn 1. Actually Russia was allied with Germany from day 1 in the real war, and did actually attack a long list of minors. We need to make a houserule, because its too crazy that Germany can empty all territories adjacent to Russia because they know that Russia cant attack before turn 4. In the real war Germany had no guarantees for that, so why should they get it in this game,  uh…


  • @Razor:

    @DarthBlitz:

    found the answer… neutral status pervents Russia from attacking

    Now that was gamey even if the Rulebook says so. Nothing prevented Russia from attacking neutral Poland, Finland, Latvia, Estland, Lithuania and Persia in 1939, so I figure the rules are derogatory. I guess it would be a more fun game if Russia did not have status as neutral, and could be allowed to attack any one from turn 1. Actually Russia was allied with Germany from day 1 in the real war, and did actually attack a long list of minors. We need to make a houserule, because its too crazy that Germany can empty all territories adjacent to Russia because they know that Russia cant attack before turn 4. In the real war Germany had no guarantees for that, so why should they get it in this game,  uh…

    The Russians start out in control of E Poland and the Baltic states, so by game standards that part of history was honored IMO. They lost the Finish war by time the game starts, so keeping them out of there seems to fit as well, plus they would be fighting Germans up there (pro Axis Neutral). Now the Mid East I think is some what lacking. Russia did invade what is NW Persia historically (as England annexed the rest), but isn’t allowed to do that in the game (before at war). NW Persia could have been a Russian territory I suppose, but that would give them direct access to Iraq, and Persia when they go to war, so maybe they got it right (creating a barrier territory). They could have allowed certain territories to be annexed by certain powers like in AA1914, that would have been cool, but probably would be more unneeded rules.

    For the other part it is very few games that Germany empties out the border territories. It’s usually Russia that does the evacuation as the Germans build up, unless there is a Sea Lion. I agree that if the Russians saw them pulling back, and word came that England was being invaded that the Russians very well may have pounced. Oh wait the the game allows for that, because if on G3 the Germans take London, then the Russians can declare war R3 (a turn early), and invade German territory. One could argue that even a failed Sea Lion attempt should unleash “The Beast from the East” as well. Its not Russia’s fault that the dice didn’t cooperate LOL


  • @WILD:

    . I agree that if the Russians saw them pulling back, and word came that England was being invaded that the Russians very well may have pounced. Oh wait the the game allows for that, because if on G3 the Germans take London, then the Russians can declare war R3 (a turn early), and invade German territory. One could argue that even a failed Sea Lion attempt should unleash “The Beast from the East” as well. Its not Russia’s fault that the dice didn’t cooperate LOL

    Russia was in fact allied with Germany at the time a real life Sea Lion would have been launched. Churchill even wanted to declare war against Russia during the Finnish winter war, but he was not in power at that time, Chamberlain was. And Stalin would have loved to see capitalist England be conquered by a socialist allied. So this rule is bedlam too


  • From what I read,Soviet forces performed very poorly against the Finns.In a game it would be like adding 1 to all soviet combat die rolls for 1 round.
      I’m sure Russia learned some tough lessons that served them well after barbarossa.


  • @Razor:

    @WILD:

    . I agree that if the Russians saw them pulling back, and word came that England was being invaded that the Russians very well may have pounced. Oh wait the the game allows for that, because if on G3 the Germans take London, then the Russians can declare war R3 (a turn early), and invade German territory. One could argue that even a failed Sea Lion attempt should unleash “The Beast from the East” as well. Its not Russia’s fault that the dice didn’t cooperate LOL

    Russia was in fact allied with Germany at the time a real life Sea Lion would have been launched. Churchill even wanted to declare war against Russia during the Finnish winter war, but he was not in power at that time, Chamberlain was. And Stalin would have loved to see capitalist England be conquered by a socialist allied. So this rule is bedlam too

    Nice tidbit about Churchill wanting to def Finland and pushing for war with Russia. Its probably better that didn’t happen for the allies sake. It could have been difficult to put that behind them, and join forces once Hitler stabled Stalin in the back (inevitable). Of course it would have been just an extension of the Phony War at that time, so who knows for sure. It would have been like getting in a fight and breaking up with your girl friend, then sleeping with her the next week.

    I realize that Stalin and Hitler were buds at that particular point, they were even trade partners. They mapped out spheres of influence (or conquests). He would have been delighted to see England fall, I’m sure the only problem he had with the defeat of the French is that he wasn’t invited to Paris for the celebration party.

    What I’m not sure about is would Stalin have taken the initiative and annexed some countries beyond what was agreed upon if the Germans got bogged down trying to invade England. I understand that the greedy Russians took some territory that was in Germany’s sphere in 1939. If the Germans were tied up invading England, Barbarossa could have been delayed (maybe a year). If Stalin saw an exhausted Germany, maybe he is the back stabber.

    BTW, Razor your the one that originally complained that the Russians are forced to wait until turn 4 to declare war on the Germans. So I imagine that you agree that Stalin could have been the aggressor, so we are kinda working the same point.


  • @WILD:

    BTW, Razor your the one that originally complained that the Russians are forced to wait until turn 4 to declare war on the Germans. So I imagine that you agree that Stalin could have been the aggressor, so we are kinda working the same point.

    No you got that wrong, man, I just want Russia to be non neutral and able to attack any one they want from turn 1, like in the real war and I cant see how that would skew the balancing


  • @DarthBlitz:

    found the answer… neutral status pervents Russia from attacking

    In the game, yes. IRL Finland (and some other countries) was handled in the non-agression pact between GE and RU.

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