AASpring 1942 vs. 1941

@leebear

Yeah, well, there’s nothing rose in terms of accuracy. I’m waiting on people’s responses on the accuracy of War Room and Global War before thinking about purchasing them.

About Axis and allies 1941
Much has been criticized about this version, and much of the criticism is correct, because it fails in its main premise: to be a gateway for new players.

-A manual that wastes a LOT of space, and does not include a complete developing of each face for a power as a example. It also does not include a glossary showing what the unit models are, such as if it is at the end of the 1940 manual. It does not include an IPC management table and industrial capacity, as if there were in 1940, for photocopying.
-There are no aid cards for players.
-And yes, there are not enough pieces to play optimally.
All this makes new people get a bad impression of the franchise, even asking, if the other versions have the same shortcomings. Now, videos say that there are missing pieces to play well, but they don’t say which ones or how many.

Those are my ideas:
How many more pieces should the edition have (or you need to add).
11 more gray chips
1 die
1 infantry and 1 destroyer, for USA
1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 transport, for Japan
1 submarine for Germany
1 USSR infantry
What pieces to subtract:
2 green chips
1 USSR submarine
2 USSR transports

If Zombies has money, I don’t understand why not 1941, which is supposed to be a more important issue, because it is introductory. They require:
18 CPI of 1
5 CPI of 5
5 CPI of 10

I would also add aeronautical movement counters, as in the revised edition:
4 of 1, 4 of 2, 2 of 3, 2 of 4

I tink a new production an sell cost increase, but now is in Amazon $18us, with those new pieces i believe, no more of $28us. ¿What do you think?

@Red:

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I attack German Held West Russia with all units from Karelia, Archangel and the Tanks and fighter from Russia and Caucasus

Say after 1 round of attack, I have killed two German Infantry leaving 1.   I want to retreat after reducing the enemy force concentration.

The rules read that all units must withdraw to one friendly place.  I choose Archangel.  
So the infantry are then done moving having used 1 movement to the attack. (And since I committed everyone from Karelia, the space is now empty).

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?  The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

Just trying to understand the movement rules for retreating.  not saying I like the attack scenario itself!

@Bob77:

All the units would retreat together, to a territory where they came from.
Since you had units in the attack from archangel, you may choose archangel. BUT all retreating units must go to archangel, tanks and fighters too.
If you had the same scenario, but had amphibious troops as well, the amphibious troops may not retreat but all others may go to archangel.

From the rulebook:

@rulebook:

Condition B�Attacker Retreats
The attacker (never the defender) can retreat during this step.
Land and Sea Units: Move all attacking land and sea units in that combat that are along the battle strip to a single adjacent
friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land or sea units moved. In the case of sea units,
that space must have been friendly at the start of the turn. All such units must retreat together to the same space, regardless of
where they came from.

Air Units: Retreating air units remain in the contested space temporarily. They complete their retreat movement during the
Noncombat Move phase using the same rules as air units involved in a successful battle.

So remaining land units retreat together to a single adjacent friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land unit came from.

Air units retreat independently during Non Combat Move Phase being allowed to use all their remaining movement points,

so yes to
@Red:

The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

but no to
@Red:

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?

as no unit - except air units - may move during as well Combat Move Phase as Noncombat Move Phase.

Okay.  Thanks for all your other help though.

Cheers
PP

I’ve been reading these posts with great interest. I wanted to share the results of my first solitaire game. Hopefully, I can find a couple people at the local game store who want to play this simpler version.

I played w/ USA at 15 ipc. I just made Hawaii and Alaska worth zero. I figured there was a mistake somewhere, but I hadn’t read the official changes announced by Krieg before I played. But, I did immediately include artillery in this game. It seemed glaringly apparent that Russia, at least, needed that option. It helped, because Germany had to march their artillery from Berlin. I played hundreds of games on GTO and used many of the opening moves for A/A Revised in my solitaire game. Here were the opening moves:

R1 - Attacked W. Russia w/ 5 inf and the fighter. 1 inf from Kar, 2 from Arch, 2 from Moscow. Russia did pretty good, wiped out the Germans, and ended up w/ 3 inf occupying W. Russia. If Germany had rolled well, I would’ve retreated to Moscow. I then abandoned Caucasus, because there was no way to hold it without losing all of Russia’s tanks and the plane to a German attack. Attacking UKR on R1 just seemed like a disaster waiting to happen. I also moved all 3 inf from Siberia west to help counterattack Cauc, or to go where needed. Letting Japan wipe out those 3 guys on J1 just seemed like a waste.

G1 - Sunk the USA trans w/ sub. Sunk UK carrier and fighter with 1 fighter, dd, and sub. DD and sub sunk. Sunk UK BB and sub w/ BB, sub, and 1 fighter. BB and plane survived. Amphib’d Egypt w/ 2 inf, tank from N. Africa, 1 fig, 1 bomber. Ended up w/ tank in Egypt. Landed planes in N. Africa. Took Cauc w/ 1 inf. Hit W. Russia w/ 6 inf and 4 tanks. Taking Egypt was huge. Killing that UK tank helped Japan. Holding W. Russia strong kept Russia from retaking Cauc.

UK1 - Retook Egypt w/ India fighter, bomber from London, 1 inf from Australia, 1 inf from India. DD and sub went with the 2 trans to Egypt. 1 inf from India fell back to Middle East. India was abandoned.

J1 - Amphib’d Szechwan w/ 3 inf, 1 tank, 4 figs, and bomber. Used BB bombardment, but didn’t know that isn’t part of this game. No losses. Took India w/ 1 inf. Took NW China w/ 2 inf from Manch, since Russia retreated. Took E. Indies w/ 1 inf, trans, and carrier. DD and trans attacked UK fleet off Egypt. Lost both ships. Moved carrier to E. Indies w/ 1 fig. (My mistake. Should have left the trans to its fate.) UK destroyed them on UK2 (Desperate attack, due to situation, UK lost both ships too).

US1 - Moved fleet to Alaska along w/ 1 inf and 1 tank. Built dd and trans in Atlantic. (Lost DD on G2, but got the sub.)

The game then ground out. I turtled Moscow. Russia dead zoned W. Russia w/ Germany, which worked well w/ the artillery. But Russia was slowly worn down. At one point, 3 UK figs and 2 USA figs were in Moscow, but had to use US figs in naval battle outside Tokyo on US3, because US sacrificed trans on US2 to take Manchuria w/ inf and tank. Japan wiped out US troops in Manch on J3. USA and Japan wrecked each others fleets on US3, but USA BB survived. It took several turns for UK and US to get troops on the ground in Europe. German airforce stayed in Cauc for several turns, until they had to fly west. Japan’s army slowly got ground down fighting UK in Asia and a USA amphib in Central China, because all money was spent trying to rebuild fleet to sink US BB. Germany took India to stomp out the UK. Eventually, German BB sunk US BB outside Tokyo. Desperate 1 BB on 1 Axis attack that sealed the Allies’ fate. Moscow fell to Germany the same turn from a massive attack on Moscow.

In the end, I saw that the Axis would win, but it would take a few more turns to build up for Sea Lion. I think the Allies had a decent chance of winning after Japan’s navy was gone, but German BB put an end to that dream. It was fun. I’ll update on game #2, as I incorporate the new setup revisions and give the USA 17 ipcs. The last comment I wish to make is this: artillery, artillery, artillery. Hopefully, the designers will include this in the game. It’s not that complicated to use them.

@DarthShizNit:

Pfft what? If Russia is always falling on turn 3 you might just need to rework your strategy (don’t let the AI play as Russia). I’ve had games where Russia not only survived by thrived, pushing Germany back to the gates or Berlin. It’s all about knowing the ground, the battles to fight and those not to fight. Also, send more fighters from UK :D

yeah invade Norway with your 3 infantry in Karelia and then land your spitfires from England there lol. But i do find that i have to abandon Caucus, i’ve found a good strat is too attack the Ukraine and west Russia, then Germany has to send more troops to the eastern Front. And you should be planning an invasion of Europe to thin the Germans. Also if you have a few fighters and a bomber in Finland/Norway then you can directly bomb Germany.

@Most:

http://www.fieldmarshalgames.com/product/axis-and-allies-1941/

Field Marshal Games has 41!

I have them in my HANDS!!  Thanks for the post.

Here’s a link to all of the photos of the game that I’ve taken except for a couple, which I’ll add soon. You’ve all of these already, but here they are all in one place.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djensen47/sets/72157629997755399/

If you’re lucky, I sometimes post the photos on Flikr before I post to the blog. This is especially true of the photos I take with my iPhone.