December 15, 2017, 08:13:16 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Help support TripleA software development. Search me
  Articles  
   Home   Help Login Register AACalc  
Loading
Pages: 1 2 3 4 »
  Print  
Author Topic: What's up with the strategies posted on this site?  (Read 5415 times)
Anonymous
Guest
« on: February 27, 2002, 01:54:00 pm »
0

Howdy,

Been visiting a few times recently.  What is with the strategies posted on this site?  I mean the actual one's posted on the site...not message board discussion in general (although I have a lot of reservations there as well).  Are those not the worst possible strategies ever to be printed?  My goodness, they look like they were posted by some French General...LOL.  I mean come on...German carriers, attack Canada, suicide assaults on Karelia, build a fleet and invade the US as Germany.  Yuck.  

I don't mean to offend people...but those are rookie strats at best.  Don't you have any one to write something half useable and thought out?

SUD
Logged
TG Moses VI
A&A.org Heavy Bomber
*******
Posts: 5095



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2002, 04:14:00 pm »
0

While a lot of the strats weren't exactly designed for chessmasters, they do a great job of introducing new players to the game and offer some unique strats (like the Invasion of USA).  And some of the strats are actually quite well written like handling the worst case scenario for Germany.  I dunno, perhaps you will write something?  
Logged
bossk
A&A.org Submarine
****
Posts: 556



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2002, 05:38:00 pm »
0

Before the forums got hacked I went on a crusade to point out all the errors in the stratagies for countrys I had any idea how to play (mostly the terrible russian ones).  I have since learned not to even bother trying to find the weaknesses in these stratagies and to keep to discussing them in the forum.
Logged
KING TIGER
A&A.org Mechanized Infantry
**
Posts: 46


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2002, 07:31:00 pm »
0

Good point BOSSK!
Logged
KING TIGER
A&A.org Mechanized Infantry
**
Posts: 46


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2002, 07:34:00 pm »
0

We could get a lot more in-depth. I think

Sud has a point here. However, I am not
offended by the rookies that come on to this
forum. They get excieted about the game and
therefor could turn out to be long term players. All in all they might help spread the word about the game making it more enjoyable for everyone.
Logged
Yanny
A&A.org Battleship
******
Posts: 4302



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2002, 07:52:00 pm »
0

Your wish is my command! I'll talk with Djensen about a big overhall of strategies.

Email me at yanbun100@hotmail.com with your submission and I'll forward it to the Boss, Mr. Jensen.

I'll be writing a few myself.
Logged
bossk
A&A.org Submarine
****
Posts: 556



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2002, 07:54:00 pm »
0

Indeed, King Tiger, indeed.  New players are always a welcome thing; nothing like expanding peoples gaming horizons.
Logged
Ozone27
A&A.org Tank
***
Posts: 487



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2002, 07:55:00 pm »
0

A bit off-topic, but I take exception to the dissing of "French generals". The French were defeated in WWII partly because of outdated strategy (massing troops in forward positions, over-reliance on fortifications, inadequate air defense, etc.), and partly because of political weakness. The 1st was a flaw most World Powers had prior to WWII that France suffered most from because she was one of the 1st states attacked by Germany; the second was one which all Democratic powers suffer from time and again--1939 was just a particularly bad time for it.

   I would like to point out to all present that France nearly took over Europe in the early 1800's (under Napoleon)and amassed an Empire (albeit briefly) that DWARFED Hitler's--and "French Generalship" should be respected just as much as any...

Sorry, pet peeve of mine--I am not even of French descent... grin
Ozone27
Logged
TG Moses VI
A&A.org Heavy Bomber
*******
Posts: 5095



View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2002, 09:56:00 pm »
0

I say with the exclusion of Spain (which was pro-Germany during the war), both Empires were roughly the same size.  
Logged
TG Moses VI
A&A.org Heavy Bomber
*******
Posts: 5095



View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2002, 10:02:00 pm »
0

Oh, as I was reading this I realized that both empire bear some striking similarities.  Both countries were brought to power under the brink of collapse by one rule, both Empires were destroyed by the Russians, and Britian for a time was the only other power left standing?  Intresting how history repeats itself.  
Logged
Deathflame
A&A.org Mechanized Infantry
**
Posts: 83


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2002, 03:48:00 am »
0

SUD, you should register.

Also, this forum is for everyone, so if some weak strat is posted, you don't go dissin' the one who posted it if he's a rookie. Everyone is a rookie at one point.

Perhaps a ADVANCED FORUM should be in order?
Maybe a rookie forum aswell?


Also: Anyone from Europe in this Forum, but me?
Logged
Gul'Dan
A&A.org Mechanized Infantry
**
Posts: 72


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2002, 08:11:00 am »
0

The German and french Empires were tiny comapred to some other ones, such as the mongol and hun empires.  Napolean was a french exception.  The french rellied on a fortification, that wouldnt of helped during WWI.  Germany invadded through the north of france in both wars
Logged
Anonymous
Guest
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2002, 09:40:00 am »
0

I totally agree about the need to treat rookies with respect and to help them enjoy the game and grow with the A&A family.  My concern is that we don't actually do rookies any favours by providing poor strats.  If you think about it, the standard means by which we learn anything new is a cycle.  First comes enthusiasm but little skill.  Then comes mediocre skill and disillusionment.  At this point, either you support the person heavily and encourage them to continue...or they drop out.  With enough support, the next step is reasonable competence with varying enthusiasm.  Happy when winning, not so happy when losing.  At this stage, it is consolidation of learning and lots of practice, with enough encouragement that they don't drop out.  Finally, you reach high competence, enthusiasm, and continued refinement & improvement.

I submit that the value in providing written strategies is primarily aimed to support people at stages 1 & 2.  You are trying to equip them with enough knowledge that they can translate their enthusiasm into some competence and success.  If you fail them at this point they become disillusioned.  I submit that the formal strategies posted on this site, do not aid rookies in learning the game.  I submit they detract from learning and are more likely to lead to disillusionment when success is NOT achieved.  

Further, I believe that the onus is on the 'owners' of this site to ensure that officially posted strategies are indeed sound.  I believe it is their responsibility to screen these strategies to that effect, with the express purpose of providing rookies with sound material with which to learn.  I draw a major distinction between MB chat and strategy talk vs officially posted strategies.  Try all sorts of wacky things on the MB...afterall, the game should be fun.  But reserve officially posted strategies for things that are at least sound and well thought out.  You can have many different levels of these strategies, from beginner to advanced, but they should be sound...not pure fantasy.  Save that for the MB, or list them as wacky and crazy ideas that are not endorsed as a strategy.

What you are missing is that many people come here, see those posted strats and then blow off this site as worthless.  I can provide you the MB links from a number of the on-line clubs where these exact statements have been made.  The words are to the effect of 'look at the ridiculous... hahaha'.  That is precisely why I am here.  I am hanging around, checking out the boards etc.  And I see, that there are likely some decent/good/better players here.  So, I don't fully share the opinion of some others who frankly, have trashed this site quite a bit.

I hope you understand where I am coming from. I am not here to create dissent.  I am not here to trash you.  I will however point out things that I think are wrong and encourage you to improve.  I have been very active in the on-line A&A community for a number of years.  Part of my mission is to explore all sites I can and look to improve the overall experience that we provide A&A players.  Part of that overall experience is sound discussion of strategy.  I have my own personal preferences and style.  They may differ from yours, and I have no argument with that.  But, I can spot BS from far away...and so likely can many of you.  So, lets have as many different strats as we can...but let's make them sound, not BS, and lets make them as useful as possible to the rookie, not set them up for failure.

SUD
Logged
Anonymous
Guest
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2002, 09:48:00 am »
0

Again...please read the above post in view of the Officially Posted Strategies on this site.

MB chat is an entirely different matter.  Blow your brains out with whatever wacky ideas you have, and have fun doing so.

But zap the crap from 'Strategy' on the site.  They do you and every rookie a disservice.

SUD
Logged
TG Moses VI
A&A.org Heavy Bomber
*******
Posts: 5095



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2002, 03:54:00 pm »
0

Geweezzz.. the strats aren't nearly as bad as you're making them to be.  As general principles, they're right on target. Plus people actually invested time and patience in order to write them, so they deserve a little credit.  I think the surefire way a rookie can tell he is no longer a rookie is when he can look at those strats and find ways to improve on them.  I know I have.  
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

2017 Support Drive

Read about this support drive.
Support Level
Forum Username
Note: payee will appear as Livid Labs, LLC.
Buy Axis & Allies
  • Axis & Allies 1942 [Amazon]
  • A&A Pacific 1940 [Amazon]
  • A&A Europe 1940 [FMG]
  • [eBay]
  • [eBay]
  • A&A D-Day [Amazon]
  • A&A Battle of the Bulge [Amazon]
  • [eBay]
  • [eBay]
  • WWII Themed Combat Dice [FMG]



Axis and Allies.org Official Gold Sponsor: Historical Board Gaming

Axis & Allies.org Official Silver Sponsor: Field Marchal Games
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP © 2015 Livid Labs, LLC. All rights reserved.
Axis & Allies is registered trademark of Wizards of the Coast, a division of Hasbro, Inc.
Note: the copyright below is for the forum software only.
Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!