Attacking sub withdrawl after a naval victory?

Once the enemy units are eliminated, the battle is over. All attacking units should remain in that embattled territory or seazone…

Yep, that’s how I play (subs cannot withdraw after all defenders are destroyed)

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I would have to agree, though it would be nice if you could in fact move the attacking subs away at the end of the battle.

Ve are in agreemint.
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Haha, lets hope this never happens again! :smile: (j/k)

Heh heh sounds good Zero. I could live with either way…but if I were playing I’d just go with majority rules.

If you read it all it states that f all defending/attacking units are hit then the battle is over. It does not say that if they are destroyed it is over. It seems to me that as soon as the units are hit all chances to retreat are negated since the battle is technically over.

Zero - I now see your point after reviewing the rules and combat steps. I checked the AAMC rules and clarifications and it is not addressed. I think this may be legal taking the rules most literally. It is generally assumed that after the defender is eliminated step 7 was ignored in the case of attacking subs still in the embattled sea zone. I got that feeling the game designer didn’t see this one coming…

Zero, you have a great argument and I would play with your rules style anytime. However, I can’t say the same for the majority of players out there. Maybe you should contact AAMC personally on it.

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Ok, see it in the AAMC clarifications now. I missed it somehow. Games outside club rules could still challenge this though…

Thanks for the clear up :razz:

So I guess they can’t retreat. That would be really nice if they could, especially if you’re Japan knocking out America’s navy and hten want to retreat to safety.

Guys,

Here’s a really fun house rule that my friends and I play by:

If subs are present on both sides of a naval battle at the end of a round, then the defensive subs may submerge, but the battle continues between the subs. You shouldn’t be able to submerge against another sub, right? So just let the subs duke out a seperate battle below the other naval and air units.

If you looking for “historical correctness,” those opposing subs shouldn’t even have been dukin’ it out in the first place. In WWII you rarely (if ever) saw any sub vs sub battles due to their impossibility. The only way I think this would be feasible is if you waited for the other sub to be forced to surface (for oxygen) first before firing.

As far as sub rules go, I play with a couple, especially when it comes to detection (though these would require destroyers). However two I like to play with is sub-pens and wolf packs. For anyone interested:

Wolf-packs
If 3 or more Subs attack together, they obtain wolf-pack status and one sub (the leader) adds 1 to its attack value.

Sub-Pens
A sub may choose to remain inactive by using it’s non-combat phase to dock in a sub-pen (any coastal territory under the team’s control with an IC). That sub is considered “submerged,” until the beginning of that player’s next turn.