Battleship bombard question

@MrMalachiCrunch:

First of all you need a mix in fleet and in land units.  Second, even at 20 a BB would be a sitting duck for 18 IPC of subs.  3 subs CRUSH a battleship with an average loss of a single sub costing 6 IPC.  If all you had were BBs I would flood the ocean with subs and pick and choose when i want to fight.  So you would need some DDs but still subs would kill you, so you need air units combined with DDs to project power.  In order to get in striking distance of subs, because you have to move up you have to put yourself in harms way, let the enemy decide to attack you or not.  You might need blocking DDs to get your fleet close enough to project power onto the subs and force a retreat as they can’t stand a few DDs with airpower.  In other words, you need combined arms to win.  That is one reason I hate to use a single bomber against an AA.  Going from 1 to zero is a 100% loss of the service of a bomber and the power it projects over a wide swath of area.  Think about it, a single bomber might cause you to defend against it in 6 different places.  Even by doing nothing, the power it projects influences the battlespace.

The subs cost 8 IPC in revised
7 if you posses  ˝War Economy˝ NA

@Bunnies:

When in doubt, blame it on America!

I did not think Nuno was still around to do that…  :roll:

If the attacker retreats and there is no more CV for the planes involved in the defense, all defending figs get one movement point to escape to friendly territory or SZ (if there is a carrier with capacity handy). Since Hawaii is US/Allied control, both the US fig and the Brit fig can land there.

The same would apply in any other cases - say germans attack allied fleet in north sea protected by US planes. If CV is sunk then germans retreat, US planes could escape to UK (or any other adjacent allied territory) on germany’s turn.

Mr. Harris can be found here: http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/bb/index.php

You can also drive tanks that were not engaged through the territory to a friendly territory on the other side.  Good way to open up reinforcement routes in Europe.

@ncscswitch:

To be honest though, I think it is such an exceedingly rare occurance that I don;t think it will be an issue in 999 games out of 1000.

Agreed

And I still like the “logic” of not being able to blast away Parisian INF from the Normandy Coast; or Chicago National Guard Units from the Virginia coast…

Yeah, that is kinda wonky.  But no more so than some of the other abstractions the game makes.

Just think of it this way:  Since trannies are NOT involved in the attack (they are not even on the battle board) then they don’t have to “waste any part of their move” getting to the objective.  However, any BBs or DDs that contributed to a battle offshore canNOT bombard during the amphibious assault.