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« on: December 02, 2008, 03:52:09 pm »
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Here at A&A.org the greatest resource is our members.  So when A&A:50 arrived it was only natural for our boys to shake, rummage, and pilfer the contents of the game board.  We wanted to know if Larry Harris lived up to his promise: A balanced game, full of new toys, with conflict on all fronts.  And if this wasn't the case, how could we tweak the knobs to make it so?  Well, rather then spend hours debating conjecture, theory, or mathematical models -- why don't we use good ol' fashion Playtesting to iron the creases out?  

This thread is designed to give Game Balancers a gateway into the playtester's world.  Instead of the Game Balancer filtering through hours of threads or performing the rigors of playtesting himself, let us distill for him the fruit of our efforts.  If we're going to decide which side, Axis or Allies, has the out of box advantage, lets do it in the most efficient, statistically proven, way possible.

Game on Folks!  

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Title:  Your witty title.  Must include Scenario Played (1941/1942)
Date:  When you played it.  
Special Rules:  Were any optional Rules used?  Tech development?  National Objectives?  
Victor:  Who won?  How?  Player Concession, World Domination, Victory Cities (12? 13? 15?)...
Game Length:  How long did the game last?  Hours/Rounds
Bias:  Going into the game, which side had the higher skill level?
Description:  Generally, what happened?  What strategies were used?  Please be concise.  Turn-by-turn analyses belong in their own threads.  
Observations/Recommendations:  What stood out?  What changes do you want to see in the game?  Again, be concise.    
Link:  (Optional) Link your own thread discussing the game in greater detail.  

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Title:  Allies Sunk 1941
Date:  December 2nd, 2008  
Special Rules:  NO's + Tech
Victor:  Axis Victory by Concession  
Game Length:  30 minutes
Bias:  About equal.  I played against myself.  
Description:  
Allies: Adopted a Kill Germany First (KGF) strategy.  UK/USA forced landings at France and North Africa.  Russia ousted Germany to Poland.    
Axis: Japan conquered Asia, unlocked the "Supersubs" Technology, and quickly went on to build a submarine navy which terrorized the high seas.  Allies were forced to evacuate Normandy after Japanese U-boats sunk their transport navy.  Germany traded blows with Russia before retreating.  Italy conquered Africa up to Ethiopia before being expelled by the British.  
Observations/Recommendations:
Axis won, which makes me happy.  Japan is too powerful when left alone.  Subs should be rebalanced.  Allies should develop a strategy other than KGF.  
Link:  None

Remember, anyone can contribute!  We only require that you PLAY THE GAME.


1941 Leaderboard Games Played
(November 14th 2012)
Total Number of Games Played: 25
Axis Victories: 14
Allied Victories: 10
Draws: 2

1.  Offensive Axis  /  Allies  /  Axis don't know what they're doing (No NOs)
2.  Andy1984  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Japan China-Moscow Push
3.  Bluestroke  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
4.  El Stef  /  Allies /  UK defeats Germany  
5.  Craig A Yope  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA 30/60 (ETO/PTO) split (No Tech)
6.  Stoob  /  Axis /  Pacific Stalemate, Russia falls
7.  Nickwins89  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
8.  atarihuana  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
9.  dolsen  /  Axis  /  Germany-Italy in Africa, German Heavy Bombers, Japan China-Moscow Push
10.  vivaldi  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Italy in Africa
11.  Capt. Winters  /  Axis  /  Germany and Italy blitz Russia
12.  axis_roll  /  Allies  /  Italian Navy Sunk
13.  souL  /  Allies  /  KGF
14.  Nickwins89  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
15.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Japan China-Moscow Push
16.  Stoob  /  Allies  /  Contain Italy, Crush Germany, Little in Pacific (No NOs)
17.  bugoo  /  Axis  /  German Fortress Europe, Japan China-Moscow Push
18.  TitusAndronicus  /  Allies  /  UK stops Japan, USA stops Italy, USSR stops Germany
19.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia  
20.  Stoob  /  Allies  /  Russia Blitzes Germany
21.  gerwin88  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Japan China-Moscow Push
22.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Japan China-Moscow Push
23.  Corbeau Blanc  /  Allies  /  Japan halted at India.  Russian-Allied pincer on Poland (No Tech)  
24.  Stoob  /  Allies  /  Victory City Rush
25.  Hone Heke  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
26.  cenator01  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Japan China-Moscow Push

1941 Leaderboard (First) 50 Games Played
(December 2nd 2008 to February 10th 2009)
Axis Victories: 28
Allied Victories: 17
Draws: 5

Breakdown:
(Player / Victor / Victorious Strategy)

1.  Lynxes  /  Allies  /  KGF and Heavy Bombers (UK/USA)
2.  Bluestroke  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
3.  AxisOfEvil  /  Axis  /  Germany blitzes Russia and Japan China-Moscow Push
4.  Todd7912  /  Axis  /  German Mechanized Infantry to Moscow and Japan Super Sub-China-Moscow Push
5.  Gallo Rojo  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
6.  cond1024  /  Allies  /  Axis don't know what they're doing  
7.  Comassion  /  Axis  /  Germany Mechanized Infantry to Caucuses, Italy storms Africa, and Japan Hulk Smash
8.  Comassion  /  Axis  /  Germany and Italy blitz Russia and Japan China-Moscow Push  
9.  emr131  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash (No National Objectives)
10.  Alair  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow
11.  Admiral_Yamamoto  /  Allies  /  UK amphibious sneak attack on Berlin, USA split, Russia defensive
12.  Stockus13  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Italy protects the mainland.  
13.  captain_target  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
14.  tin_snips  /  Allied  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA contains Japan  
15.  Funcioneta  /  Allied /  Germany Contained
16.  Mr Morden  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
17.  TG Moses VI  /  Axis  /  Victory City Rush (No NOs)
18.  kendric  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
19.  TG Moses VI  /  Allies  /  UK opens Western Front (No NOs)  
20.  TG Moses VI  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Japan Hulk Smash (No NOs)  
21.  Todd7912  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA 40/60
22.  TG Moses VI  /  Axis  /  Victory City Rush
23.  Emperor_Taiki  /  Axis  /  Axis Trickery  
24.  StuManUSA  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
25.  StuManUSA  /  Allies  /  KGF
26.  Keida  /  Allies  /  Russia halts Germany, UK Africa-India-Norway first, and USA contains Japan
27.  Keida  /  Allies  /  Russia halts Germany, UK Africa-India-Norway first, and USA contains Japan
28.  gerwin88  /  Axis  /  Japan-Italy Hulk Smash
29.  General Turgidson  /  Axis  /  German Tank Rush
30.  tin_snips  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA contains Japan
31.  Bierwagen  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow
32.  TG Moses VI  /  Axis  /  Victory City Rush
33.  cond1024  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA contains Japan
34.  tin_snips  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash, Alaska Bridge
35.  Woodstock  /  Axis  /  Allies don't know what they're doing
36.  addicted  /  Allies  /  KGF (No Tech or NO's)
37.  addicted  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom-Russia halt Germany-Italy, USA 50/50 (No Tech or NO's)
38.  TSS  /  Axis  /  Germany-Italy blitz Russia, Japan Invades Western USA
39.  a44bigdog  /  Axis  /  German Paratroopers, Japan China-Moscow Push
40.  atarihuana  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Japan Hulk Smash (No Tech)    
41.  keplar galvin  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Japan Hulk Smash
42.  TexCapPrezJimmy  /  Allies  /  United Kingdom halts Italy, USA contains Japan
43.  keplar galvin  /  Axis  /  German Heavy Bombers, Japan Hulk Smash
44.  alvn78  /  Axis  /  Japan takes Western USA
45.  atarihuana  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
46.  tin_snips  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Japan Hulk Smash
47.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Fortress Europe, Japan Hulk Smash
48.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Germany Blitzes Russia, Italy storms Africa, and Japan Hulk Smash
49.  JonMiller  /  Allies  /  KGF (No NOs)
50.  JonMiller  /  Allies  /  KGF

1942 Leaderboard

Total Number of Games Played: 21
Axis Victories: 12
Allied Victories: 8
Draws: 1

Breakdown:
(Player / Victor / Victorious Strategy)

1.  tin_snips  /  Axis  /  Germany blitzes Russia and Japan China-Moscow Push (No Tech)
2.  tin_snips  /  Axis  /  Germany blitzes Russia and Bombs Britain, Italy to India
3.  Andy1984  /  Allies  /  UK+Russia dogpiles Germany, USA contains Japan
4.  Bluestroke  /  Allies  /  UK+USA push Africa and hold the Pacific
5.  Bierwagen  /  Allies  /  UK+Russia dogpiles Germany, USA contains Japan
6.  Emperor_Taiki  /  Axis  /  Germany blitzes Russia and Japan-Italy Hulk Smash
7.  TG Moses VI  /  Axis  /  Germany to Leningrad, Italy to Stalingrad    
8.  gerwin88  /  Allies  /  Italian Fleet Sunk T1  
9.  Bierwagen  /  Allies  /  Italian Fleet Sunk T1
10.  StuManUSA  /  Axis  /  Germany blitzes Russia and Japan China-Moscow Push
11.  tin_snips  /  Axis  /  German takes Moscow, Japan China-Moscow Push, Luftwaffe Strong1
12.  keplar galvin  /  Draw  /  Inconclusive
13.  Nickwins89  /  Allies  /  Russia halts Germany, USA and Italy contain Japan (No NO's or Tech)
14.  souL  /  Axis  /  Germany sinks UK's Navy
15.  TSS  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow and London T2
16.  TitusAndronicus  /  Axis  /  Germany takes Moscow, Japanese Heavy Bombers
17.  Stoob  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
18.  Stoob  /  Allies  /  USA and UK Grand Fleet
19.  Covertsniper88  /  Axis  /  Japan Hulk Smash
20.  Omega  /  Axis  /  German Navy + Infantry + Fighters Build  
21.  mtpatane  /  Allies  /  Kill Germany First

(Unless stated otherwise, games included NO's + Tech)  
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2008, 04:16:22 pm »
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Yes, but game length should be defined as rnds.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2008, 04:23:35 pm »
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1941 Leaderboard (Last) 50 Games Played
(December 21st 2009 -- Present)
Total Number of Games Played: 3
Axis Victories: 1
Allied Victories: 2
Draws: 0
 
1.  PattonHero  /  Allies  /  Kill Germany First
2.  docfav7  /  Allies  /  Allied envelopes, Axis misplays  
3.  Xydorf   /   Axis   /   Germany takes Moscow (china free mod)
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2008, 05:16:02 pm »
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sticky depends on responses and numbers of people who view.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2008, 10:36:16 pm »
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i've been reading these forums for a couple of weeks now, so thought i should register and make a post!

some friends and i played a small game last week, just to get a feel for it. this game following was the first proper one with the new AA50A though

Title:  wehrmacht wallop
Date:  2nd of December
Special Rules:  used NO's, but no tech developments, 1942 setup
Victor:  axis, by allied concession
Game Length:  2 rnds
Bias: skill was split down the middle. allies just had some terrible roles with the dice
Description: japan pushed into china, and sunk any allied navies it could reach. russia went defensive from the start. germany pushed for moscow but did a little uk-navy sinking on the side. uk set up defences in india, attacked africa. italy pushed into africa, sunk a combined uk and us fleet. america attacked japan, began setting up for bombing runs into germany.
basically, germany (myself) got some very great roles, where russia did not. germany destroyed all 8-10 of the russian defenders in moscow, while only taking two casualties themselves (from a force of about 12, although can't recall exact numbers of units).
Observations/Recommendations: i feel russia is at a disadvantage from the start due to having to defend 3 industrial spots (this has been covered in other threads). we will seriously consider adding one or two house rules for russia, but it definitely came down to the dice rolls. japan looks tough with its navy, but only having one transport does gives the allies some time to make a move. uk did build a factory in india, and held it nicely
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 05:42:23 am »
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Title: Capital switch
Date: 22/11
Special rules: NOs+techs
Victor: Allies, ended with Germany, Italy and Russia being eliminated and Axis conceding defeat
Game length: around 8 rounds
Bias: me & Perry, we're equal skillwise I think, in all four other games of the '41 scenario Axis had won and we played two each
Description (reprint from "My review" thread): The Allies went all-out KGF. UK shucked units into Karelia for the first three turns, after which Germany succeeded in bombing their navy to pieces, but then US took over the amphibious invading and UK focused on SBR. UK built a South African IC that helped to keep Africa. US invasions of Algeria, France and then Italy made things difficult for the European Axis. USA built cruisers, transports, land units and bombers after a first turn buy of a  carrier on the East coast. Japan mopped up everything and ended up grabbing Moscow AND Western US in the same turn (the second conquest was due to a mistake in builds due to fatigue on the US player part but didn't really change the game). But by then Italy had already fallen and Germany fell to a US tank and bomber attack. Germany did dominate the Russians for most of the game, but was very hampered by a Heavy bomber SBR campaign and due to limited production narrowly failed to take back France which in hindsight was a gamebreaker since USA could then build an IC there. Techs was rampant: UK got Heavy Bombers on turn 1, US on turn 4 or 5 (as well as Super subs and Improved shipyards), Germany got Paras and Japan Jets and Long-range air.
Observations/recommendations: We concluded that the game was very difficult for the Allies and without Heavy Bombers it would have been hard to conquer Germany. But techs are now so easy to get that is actually not that random but rather a part of strategy. We can't see right now how anything else than KGF is the way to go in the '41 scenario, but we might be wrong (?). NOs seem to be an advantage for the Axis. ADDED: me as the Axis player thought in hindsight Japan should perhaps have attacked West US/ Alaska earlier to force a distraction from Europe, also Germany might have pushed more aggressively vs. Russia with more tank buys and daring attacks since infantry buys are so EXTREMELY slow to the front which is a major problem if the Allies go KGF.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 05:55:23 am »
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I think this is an excellent idea. And if you play the game here you can also link to it. Working on playing 1 or more right now.
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Title:  Sea Lion Reboot 1941.
Date:  11/29/08. 
Special Rules: OOB, except-all Axis move/all Allies move turns-
-we play face to face and hate waiting for turns. 
Tech development-no tech buys, used National Objectives.
Victor:  Consentual Draw, time Limit expired 4 hours.
Victory Cities -Allies 10 and Axis 8...
Game Length:  4 Hours/9 Rounds
Bias:  Going into the game, I played Allies and
had the higher skill level.  Thought less experienced players, should play Axis in 1941, Axis have greater mobility and unit strength, should help them recover from mistakes.
Description:  I used Balanced strategy for Allies, included UK Indian IC an divided UK/US IPC's BTWN Pacific and Europe.
Early game, Axis moved typical, maxium extention of force-
Japan-Pearl attk/takes Hawaii J1. Germany-gobbles Eastern Europe. 
Italy-hammers Africa.  Axis removed most of Allied shipping.
Allies counter early game, build forces UK/India and US CV Fleets fitted out for both theatres. USSR slow/steady INF/RTL stacks advance out of Moscow, w acquired 2-ARM ea  rd- stacked North flank /center group/ Southern  flank.USSR mass reabsorbs, all of Eastern Europe. German Sea Lion rips London. UK/US Torch ops retake Africa. 
UK IC breaks ��� wave with US/China sapping Zeros.  Final round, Germany with 93 IPC to spend, facing 3 stacks of USSR mass.  Allied Air/Naval counter and sink everything Axis have in water.  UK/US and Japan begin rebuilding fleets.     
Observations/Recommendations:  We were surprised by the amount of IPC flow from NO's.  To my chagrin, how could the Germans get into London-LOL
another concept learned, chinese, not strong, weaken japanese Air.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 08:47:47 am »
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TG Moses VI,

suggestion, modify first post of this thread.  Data track totals;

Qty of Games/ Axis Wins / Allies Wins / Major Strategy
or something to this effect, if you wouldn't mind.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 10:55:54 am »
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Great!  Thanks for all the reviews thus far, I had fun reading them. 

Oh, I also included a separate box so you could link your games to the actual threads where you talk about them.  That way these quick reviews can read more like abstracts.   

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Qty of Games/ Axis Wins / Allies Wins / Major Strategy
or something to this effect, if you wouldn't mind.

Done.  I neglected to include Major Strategies because, other then KGF, I don't know what to call any of the other strategies
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 11:16:24 am »
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Also, I've been thinking: Do you guys prefer a specific way of organizing the After Action Reports? 
I'm fine collecting them in the original post for now, but if it grows to be too big, people will have to scroll down a lot to get to the newer reviews they want to read. 

Or would you rather have one Review per post?  That way the most current reviews are easiest to access.  This does have the downside of not being sorted based on 1941 or 1942 scenarios.     
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 11:58:17 am »
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Title: The Rising Sun

Date: 11/29/2008

Setup: NOs+techs   1941 scenario

Victor: Axis win, ended with Japan sacking Moscow

Game length: lost track of rounds. 7 1/2 hours!!

Bias: Nearly equal skill level. I would be more experienced. I played Allies and lost

Description: The germans took Karelia, Baltic States, West Poland, and Ukraine all round 1. Soviets were not equipped to counter all of this. The germans took karelia with all that could reach, and had only one loss. I could not retake my IC for some time. I purchased 2 fighters with russia right off the bat. I figured the only way to fend off the german onslaught would be to swap as many NO terrorities i could with as efficient TUV trades as i could manage. Russia got bad dice early, and it looked like it would be a quick defeat. In the pacific theater, I was looking for a way for the US to contend. Japan killed the battleship at pearl as expected. However, they left my destroyer/tran alive off of LA. (I think i would have sent two fighters to kill these targets. just need one hit to kill both ships worth 15 ipcs). My opponent made an error by leaving his ACs at pearl, and giving me plenty of firepower to counter. I wiped out 2 ACs and 4 planes round 1. You would think that this start encouraged a US KJF strat. A few reasons i did not go this way. I did manage to surive the AC from my pearl counter. However, i was still far behind the japanese naval power. And they equaled US production r2 or 3, and surpassed it soon after that. The japanese naval strength, combined with germany's aggressive strat (He bought many tanks, and tried to finsh russia quickly) forced me to go to the atlantic exclusively with the US. Allied pressure in Africa and WE soon wore on the German offensive. What looked like a quick russian defeat, soon shifted. Italy was not used effectively by my opponent, and they never contended much in africa. I did buy an Indian IC for the brits, and kept AE well defended. This game was very close, and took forever. Germany began to turtle in the late rounds, and Russia started to collect all of its NO bonus. Allies had a foothold in WE, and UK just took Italy, WHEN, Japan couldnt be stopped in taking moscow witha huge stack of tanks.

Observations/recommendations: The game does seem to favor the Axis, however, in the game I played, the allies could have had a victory. they were delayed by lucky axis dice, as well as early UK naval losses due to lucky dice in an German air attack. I was hoping that the US could contend in the pacific. It does not appear to me they could. A more experienced Japanese player would not let his ACs be slaughtered. With the HUGE lead in naval power, three FULLY loaded ACs!!! BB and cruiser!! 5 trans!!! And the exponentially growing production, the US CANNOT handle the Japanese by themselves. NO WAY! I was shocked to see how weak the US was to start the game! However, the UK start out as a monster in production. 43!!! So i do believe that there may be a combined allied approach in the pacific that could bottle up japan. It would be very difficult, but i see the potential. For one, the japanese strength is far north of the Indian Ocean to start, and a sea zone was added. If the UK did a double IC in India/Austrlia  or India/SA and built up a navy, at the same time, the US built up navy in hopes of combining their fleets before the japs could crush either. umm, it might work. But would it be more efficient then just killing italy first?  i dont think so.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 12:09:54 pm »
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Or would you rather have one Review per post?  That way the most current reviews are easiest to access.  This does have the downside of not being sorted based on 1941 or 1942 scenarios.     

That would need a separate subforum, I think. I like it, I enjoy HOI2 AARs and A&A AARs can be super fun
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 05:37:59 pm »
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Maybe the moderators can see to that?


Since I can already see this thread is getting out of hand (in a good way), I'm going to refrain from including everyone's game summaries in the original post.  We'll have to wait for a better solution before we can work towards ordering everything.  I'll still keep track of games stats however. 
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AxisOfEvil,

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If the UK did a double IC in India/Austrlia  or India/SA and built up a navy, at the same time, the US built up navy in hopes of combining their fleets before the japs could crush either. umm, it might work. But would it be more efficient then just killing italy first?  i dont think so.

Yeah, probably not.  Australia looks defensible since the Japanese fleet would be out of position, but it's a heavy investment to build only two units a turn.  Good try though.  Thanks for the game report.  We'll see if this is the natural order of the game.   
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