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« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2009, 07:17:08 am »
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Something tells me you mean kb, since I have yet to see a way to store data in .015 bytes on a computer.   cheesy


Even so, I have a half-empty 500GB hard drive with an external 750GB hard drive.  I don't care if it takes an extra 300 kbytes for the files.  The difference in download time is negligible.  Disk space is cheap.  Labor (i.e., my free time) isn't!

And even if I did care, I have to download and install a new application that takes up several MB, in order to save 300kb?  Somehow this doesn't quite fit my definition of "better"  grin tongue wink
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« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2009, 08:33:53 am »
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Something tells me you mean kb, since I have yet to see a way to store data in .015 bytes on a computer. 

Lol, no, I really mean 221015 bytes. It's just a matter of using "." instead of "," in Germany.
So for Germans it is 221.015 bytes that equals 221,015 bytes you are used to.

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Allright, WinRar is officially abolished in favor of 7-zip, tnx

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« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2009, 09:30:54 am »
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WinRar opens 7-zip files too, I believe.

And I confirm that when WinRar trial is expired, you get a popup saying expired, but you can close it and continue to use the program.
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« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2009, 10:39:00 am »
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Even so, I have a half-empty 500GB hard drive with an external 750GB hard drive.  I don't care if it takes an extra 300 kbytes for the files.  The difference in download time is negligible.  Disk space is cheap.  Labor (i.e., my free time) isn't!

And even if I did care, I have to download and install a new application that takes up several MB, in order to save 300kb?  Somehow this doesn't quite fit my definition of "better"  grin tongue wink
=> You're looking at it the wrong way: you still have to unpack it at your hard drive, so it will always take up the full amount of space on your hard drive, no matter how good or bad it is compressed. Alright, for those of you not liking a little moralistic speech, skip to the next post:



The big advantage of compressing things (be it with winzip or whatever), lies in the nature of uploading/downloading/internet storage. Internet storage is not as cheap as a HD, and in Belgium we've got upload and download limits which limit our internet traffic. Besides that, every byte put on the net needs a server running 24/7 using up valuable energy.

Now, take the 200 kB, make it 200 MB, and figure out the time and energy saved by uploading 200 MB instead of 600 MB. If I could save 67% of my time uploading stuff, this easily makes up for downloading 10 MB for the 7-Zip program. En plus, I get to down/upload 67% more if everyone would use 7-Zip. So that's why I'm advocating everyone to use it, even for small files, so people are used to the program when the need arises. I know for some people, it doesn't matter how big their files are, but to other people (for instance with a telephone connection), it does. Besides, In these times of environmentalism and economic crisis, don't waste energy/money needlessly by putting huge files on the net where small would also suffice. Why do you think this board limits its files to 256 kB?

See it like this: riding 1 km with a suv doesn't require a lot more gasoline than riding 1 km with a small hybrid car. But drive 1000 km, and everyone agrees the small hybrid is cheaper. So promote the hybrid, not the suv.


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« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2009, 10:53:54 am »
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I fully agree to that.

And even if I did care, I have to download and install a new application that takes up several MB, in order to save 300kb?  Somehow this doesn't quite fit my definition of "better"
Just to clarify:
The download of the 7-zip program is only 917 KB. Once installed you can delete all the language files you don't need and the program will take only 2 MB of your HD. So this is definitely no "bloatware" compared to some other packers.
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« Reply #95 on: January 12, 2009, 01:16:43 pm »
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Is there any reason I can't get the far right side of the board to appear? I get Alaska but WUS, CUS, and those sea zones just won't appear. I've tried maximizing the screen, i've tried stretching the screen, but no dice.
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« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2009, 02:16:15 pm »
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Is there any reason I can't get the far right side of the board to appear? I get Alaska but WUS, CUS, and those sea zones just won't appear. I've tried maximizing the screen, i've tried stretching the screen, but no dice.
you know if you hold right-click you can move the map?
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« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2009, 05:04:36 pm »
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I do now! haha thanks a bunch.
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« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2009, 07:18:00 am »
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I hope you realize I was just trying to give you some goodnatured ribbing.  Mostly it just boils down to the fact that I'm just lazy.  Although, I think it is very rare that something like this could become a standard from a grass-roots basis, you're welcome to advocate and proselytize. The cost difference between good-enough and better is often hard to justify a change to the existing inertia.  (I know, that doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.)

And I'm not even going to touch the argument about the environmental impact of the energy needed to put a few extra KB on disks and through the net.  I'm pretty sure I'd do a better job reducing carbon emissions if I just ate one less burrito a month. grin tongue

Oh, and sorry about that ,/. thing. We stoopid americans tend to forget there's other people out there who might actually do things differently Wink
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« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2009, 07:25:02 am »
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Is anyone else having trouble getting the latest files?  I just tried to grab them and got an error from mediafire: "The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

Given the recent discussion, it would serve me right if this is because you've exceeded bandwidth limits or something similar.
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« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2009, 12:11:32 pm »
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I hope you realize I was just trying to give you some goodnatured ribbing.  Mostly it just boils down to the fact that I'm just lazy.  Although, I think it is very rare that something like this could become a standard from a grass-roots basis, you're welcome to advocate and proselytize. The cost difference between good-enough and better is often hard to justify a change to the existing inertia.  (I know, that doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.)

And I'm not even going to touch the argument about the environmental impact of the energy needed to put a few extra KB on disks and through the net.  I'm pretty sure I'd do a better job reducing carbon emissions if I just ate one less burrito a month. grin tongue
Lol, that's right, but still, if it's the right thing to do, plus you're allowed to eat extra burrito's, I wouldn't doubt a second  grin

Is anyone else having trouble getting the latest files?  I just tried to grab them and got an error from mediafire: "The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

Given the recent discussion, it would serve me right if this is because you've exceeded bandwidth limits or something similar.
Nope, no problems here... Poena Dei  tongue
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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2009, 11:28:45 am »
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I guess us mac people are SOL?
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« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2009, 12:08:37 pm »
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I guess us mac people are SOL?

Perhaps.  You mean to say that you cannot run any old DOS program on your mac?  How old is your operating system!  All new macs ship with Windows so they can definitely run Battlemap (or any DOS program out there.)

You could always run it in a shell as well if you have an antiquated Operating System like OS/Linux, etc.
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« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2009, 12:36:50 pm »
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How old is your operating system!  All new macs ship with Windows so they can definitely run Battlemap (or any DOS program out there.)

You could always run it in a shell as well if you have an antiquated Operating System like OS/Linux, etc.

Ok maybe I'm not SOL, but there's no nice simple mac version I take it.

I have a macbook pro which has the intel chips. I'm pretty sure that all new macs ship with the ability to run windows, but they don't ship with windows per se. I do know that some computer retailers sell macs with windows pre-installed.

I could partition my computer and install a windows OS (not free), but there are a number of reasons why I don't want to do that. I could also run a virtual environment like Parallels (not free) but I don't really want to do that either. There are also a few applications, like CrossOver, that allow macs to run some windows apps without partitioning, installing OSes, or running virtual environments. However these usually work only for a few applications (like Outlook) and I wouldn't expect it would work for this.

Thanks for the response cmd jfr. I'm not exactly even sure what a shell is, I assume it's a kind of separate environment. Just so you know, I'm not as technically literate as you, and diving into mac's terminal usually results in me becoming frustrated.
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« Reply #104 on: January 23, 2009, 05:18:38 pm »
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A shell is a virtual system that is totally encapsulated to protect the rest of your system from a program and to allow it to run on an operating system it was not designed for.

The problem is, macs and their proprietary (as in not boxed and shipped to every software development firm to use for making new software compatible) operating systems have never been, exactly, user friendly or very prolific in the personal computer market, thus, there never was a plethora of programs written to write on their systems.  Windows gave away code needed to write programs that would work with it.  Added to the incentives they gave computer retailers to sell their OS you had a situation where everyone could use windows because it was so user friendly, AND it was universally recognized as the go to operating system that just about every program has been written specifically for windows first and other operating systems later if the developers felt like it.

I'm pretty sure OS10 has a program in it already that will run rudimentary dos based programs.  Remember, ABattlemap is designed to run on just about any computer from 1985 on.
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