Got it, I see what you mean! Yea, it really is something they should fix. As it is, I really don’t see a point at all to buying armored cars, besides adding flavor to the map!

And I didn’t realize that was a 1939 setup rule, so that is cleared for me as well!

Thanks for pointing out 9.20 as well. I’ll be sure to point that out to others, as they seemed misinformed on that front.

Overall, I definitely agree with you. This is probably a one time chance it works against an opponent. But, it may still alter the way the Soviets are played early on a bit!

No harm at all. I was just mentioning that they were the same ones. It’s easy to forget that the green pieces in the game aren’t actually the Americans, but rather the Allies who have retreated back to North America after losing WW2. I didn’t realize until you had posted your link that the Meteor was actually a British fighter.

Listen to the doc. Hope you get well soon! Awaiting your next strategy topic, always gets a discussion started.

I saw several of those expansions in their bins during the play-test weekend.  I would recommend contacting Mr. Friend about them.  I know for a fact that they have some Croatia and a few Winter War.  Didn’t really look into the others.

Wow, missed your response to me from before Jinx1527!

That’s a very good point re winning the SCW before/after Germany is at war. That also plays a large part into the effectiveness of planning. My points towards having a Nationalist Spain so that Italian troops don’t have to amphibiously assault Gibraltar, can also be turned on it’s head: The Allies can then just invade Nationalist Spain, and then retake Gibraltar, also without having to amphibiously assault it! Though, they’d still need to amphibiously assault somewhere on the Spanish mainland as well, and you’re very much correct, Leon-Castille is a prime target. Nationalist Spain would definitely need to beef up defenses on the Atlantic coast.

All very interesting, each part really plays into another part as well in this particular strategy you discuss. I guess you’d need to weigh out what’s more important/effective: 1) Having a Nationalist Spain enter the war, giving Italian troops overland access to Gibraltar, but thus opening up Spain to Allied invasion/widening the defensive window for the Axis or 2) Keep a Nationalist Spain neutral, thus closing easier access to Allied forces to invade mainland Europe, but in the process making an invasion of Gibraltar all the more unlikely again by amphibious assault.

My initial gut response leans with option one: having an activated Nationalist Spain. I think this would, overall, greatly support the Italians more than it would detriment the Axis as a whole. While Spain is now open to assault without Allied penalty, there’s still going to be Spanish troops there to make amphibious landings costly. All the while you’ve stopped, at least for a time, the flow of Allied reinforcement of North Africa/Mediterranean by holding Gibraltar, and/or, depending on how well Italy is doing, opening up the Atlantic to possible Italian interference, if their fleets can comfortably leave the Med.

Rofl

1936 senario we are using the add 1$ to every landzone and double for original German house rule and Russia is free of Berlin fall declaration of war restrictions. This one is so bizarre we are continuing even though its 1946 by the calendar next turn.

Allies went for Japan first. Russia joined in and attacked allies for Chinese ownership. Us beat Japan down as a can opener. Then had Australia take all of Japan’s money and land (just because I wanted Australia to dominate the Pacific when America went with everything Atlantic). As a result Germany went sealion but was kicked out by uk when Russia attacked Germany. Italy has all of Africa and most of south America. While Germany is fighting with Russia. Its now a race, For the Atlantic and south Africa by US and Australia is taking China and Eastern Russia while eating up pieces of Africa, to liberate the UK its south African factory back. Both are out of position to attack Germany. Axis is using Italy as a screen similar to how the UK and French start the game, on the defensive to buy time, for Germany to focus on its only front Russia. French and Netherlands are eliminated they lost all possible capital locations on the same turn. When london was lost and Italy owned all Africa. Vichy was attacked to prevent funding the German war machine and became German aligned. Only allies way to attack Germany.

Honestly the income change, only changed our purchase power per turn but was virtually identical in ballance of income across all players.

1.1.2 Defending Combat Air Patrol fighters in sea zones may intercept at 1D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology.  Attacking/escorting fighters may roll 1D12@3
once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology, and all bomber aircraft types roll 1D12@2 once each versus defending aircraft units.  Casualties are removed immediately and
combat ceases after one round.

1.1.2 Defending fighters on airbases and/or aircraft carriers (both with the RADAR technology) may scramble to intercept and roll 1D12@3 once each or @4 once each with Jet
Technology. Attacking/escorting fighters may roll 1D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology, and all attacking bomber aircraft types roll 1D12@2 once each versus
defending aircraft units.  Casualties are removed immediately and combat ceases after one interception round.

Sorry,
I don’t see what you mean by scrambling, and what the difference compared to Air Patrol?
An adjacent Air Base can scramble?
If there is no Air Base along the TT passed through, there is only AAA which can fire?

It is not clear…

Just reposting this.

Turn Order

Production and Research Phase:

(production is as explained in the GW36 rule manual).

(research is as explained on the National Reference Sheet).

Combat Movement Phase:

1. Air Combat Movement Rounds:

1.1 Flying to the destination:

1.1.1 The attacker declares which territories or sea zones the aircraft is/are going through.

1.1.2 Defending Combat Air Patrol fighters in sea zones may intercept at 1D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology.  Attacking/escorting fighters may roll 1D12@3
once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology, and all bomber aircraft types roll 1D12@2 once each versus defending aircraft units.  Casualties are removed immediately and
combat ceases after one round.

1.1.2 Defending fighters on airbases and/or aircraft carriers (both with the RADAR technology) may scramble to intercept and roll 1D12@3 once each or @4 once each with Jet
Technology. Attacking/escorting fighters may roll 1D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with Jet technology, and all attacking bomber aircraft types roll 1D12@2 once each versus
defending aircraft units.  Casualties are removed immediately and combat ceases after one interception round.

1.1.3 Defending anti-aircraft guns may fire once (1D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with RADAR technology) at aircraft units flying over the territory.  Attacking/escorting fighters
and all attacking bomber aircraft types may not fire back.  Casualties are removed immediately and combat ceases after one round.

1.2 Arriving at the destination:

1.2.1 Defending anti-aircraft guns may fire once (3D12@3 once each, or @4 once each with RADAR technology) pre-emptively at attacking aircraft units arriving at the territory.
Attacking/escorting fighters and all attacking bomber types may not fire back when pre-emptive shots are made.  Casualties are removed immediately.  Defending anti-aircraft
guns that fire at this point do not fire at all on the first Full Combat Round that proceeds this Combat Movement Round.

1.2.2 Defending fighters and tactical bombers may scramble from territories containing air bases and/or aircraft carriers with the RADAR technology to adjacent territories or sea
zones.

2. Land Combat Movement:

2.1 (As explained in the National Reference Sheet).

Should I cover our blitzkrieg rules?  They’re in the reference sheets I think: better than original rules.  I mention this because this also involves aircraft.

Combat Phase:

3. Full Combat Rounds:

3.1a Air Combat round (meant for engaging military units):

3.1.1 Attacking fighters roll 1D12@6 once each or 1D12@8 with Jet technology once each versus defending aircraft units.  The defender assigns casualties for defending aircraft.

3.1.2 Defending fighters roll 1D12@6 once each or 1D12@8 with Jet technology once each versus attacking aircraft units.  The attacker assigns casualties for attacking aircraft.

3.1.3 Attacking bomber aircraft that have been assigned as casualties roll 1D12@2 once each versus defending fighters (never other bomber aircraft).

3.1.4 Defending bomber aircraft that have been assigned as casualties roll 1D12@2 once each versus attacking fighters (never other bomber aircraft).

3.1.5 All aircraft casualties at this point are removed.

3.1.6 The attacker may also chose to retreat a portion of or all aircraft (refer to the Retreat section for more information).  The defending fighters may chase if conditions are met
(refer to the Chase/routing section for more information).

3.1.7 The defender may also chose to retreat a portion of or all aircraft.  Refer to the Retreat section for more information.  The attacking fighters may chase if conditions are met
(refer to the Chase/routing section for more information).

3.1.8 If the Full Combat Round has finished, all attacking aircraft units may proceed to land in the Non-Combat Phase, and retreating/scrambled defending aircraft units may land in
the Non-Combat Phase if they’re able to.

3.1b Strategic Bombing Combat Rounds (meant for devastation to industry and base utility):

3.1.1 Interception:

Defending fighters on airbases in the targeted territory, adjacent territories containing airbases and/or on aircraft carriers (with the RADAR technology) in sea zones adjacent to
the target territory may scramble to intercept at 1D12@3 once each or @4 once each with Jet technology. Attacking/escorting fighters may roll 1D12@3 once each, or @4 once
each with Jet technology, and all attacking bomber aircraft types roll 1D12@2 once each.  Casualties are removed immediately after and combat ceases after one round.

Defending facilities may fire once (D12@3 or @4 with RADAR technology at each attacking bomber aircraft targeting the facility).  Casualties are removed immediately after and
combat ceases after one round.

3.1.2 Strategic Bombing:

Attacking tactical bombers roll 1D6 to determine the number of damage on a targeted facility.

Attacking naval bombers roll 1D6 to determine the number of damage on a targeted facility.

Attacking heavy bombers roll 2D6 to determine the number of damage on a targeted facility.

Attacking strategic bombers roll 3D6 to determine the number of damage on a targeted facility.

3.1.3 The Strategic Bombing mission/s end/s and all aircraft participating in the strategic bombing round/s proceed to land in the Non-Combat phase.

3.2 Land and/or Naval Combat round:

3.2.1 Attacking aircraft units that have not rolled any combat dice in the Air Combat round may fire in the Land/Naval combat round:

Attacking tactical bombers roll 1D12@7 once each versus defending land units OR 1D12@4 once each versus defending naval units.

Attacking naval bombers roll 1D12@4 once each versus defending land units OR 1D12@6 once each versus defending naval units.

Attacking heavy bombers roll 3D12@2 once each versus defending land units OR 3D12@1 once each versus defending naval units.

Attacking strategic bombers roll 5D12@2 once each versus defending land units OR 5D12@1 once each versus defending naval units.

Attacking fighters roll 1D12@2 once each versus defending land units OR defending naval units.

3.2.2 Attacking anti-aircraft guns roll 1D12@3 (1D12@4 with RADAR technology) versus defending aircraft or 1D12@2 (1D12@3 with RADAR technology) versus defending aircraft
that have retreated in the Air Combat round.

Any hits scored on defending aircraft units by attacking anti-aircraft guns are not considered pre-emptive while attacking on any combat round.

Defending anti-aircraft guns may not be assigned as casualties before other land units if there are no attacking aircraft units present in the battle (the exception is the German
Flak 88 if it is used as artillery, not AA).

3.2.3 Attacking land units (excluding anti-aircraft guns) may engage defending air units:

at the value of 1D12@2 instead of engaing defending land units during a combat round at a ratio of 2 land units per 1 air unit when defending land units are present.

that are stationed in the contested territory at the value of 1D12@2 for only one combat round if there are no defending land units in the combat round.  Combat ceases after one
combat round and the attacker may take the territory if there are attacking land units that have survived combat.  The defending aircraft units must then retreat as described
under the applicable section under the Retreating mechanics.

that have scrambled from an adjacent territory’s air base at the value of 1D12@2 (no ratio) for an unlimited amount of combat rounds if there are no defending land units.

at the value of 1D12@1 vs defending aircraft units that have retreated in the Air Combat round instead of engaging defending land units during a combat round at a ratio of 2 land
units per 1 air unit when defending land units are present.

at the value of 1D12@1 vs defending aircraft units that have retreated in the Air Combat round with no ratio for an unlimited amount of combat rounds if there are no defending
land units.

3.2.4 Defending aircraft units that have not rolled any combat dice in the Air Combat round may fire in the Land/Naval combat round.

Defending tactical bombers roll 1D12@7 once each versus attacking land units OR 1D12@4 once each versus attacking naval units.

Defending naval bombers roll 1D12@4 once each versus attacking land units OR 1D12@6 once each versus attacking naval units.

Defending heavy bombers roll 3D12@2 once each versus attacking land units OR 3D12@1 once each versus attacking naval units.

Defending strategic bombers roll 5D12@2 once each versus attacking land units OR 5D12@1 once each versus attacking naval units.

Defending fighters roll 1D12@2 once each versus attacking land units OR attacking naval units.

3.2.5 Defending anti-aircraft guns roll 1D12@3 or 1D12@4 with RADAR technology versus attacking aircraft starting on the second Combat Round.

Any hits scored on attacking aircraft units by defending anti-aircraft guns on the second combat round and combat rounds thereafter are not considered pre-emptive.

Attacking anti-aircraft guns may not be assigned as casualties before other land units if there are no defending aircraft present in the battle (the exception is the German
Flak 88 if it is used as artillery, not AA).

3.2.6 Defending land units (excluding anti-aircraft guns) may engage attacking air units:

at the value of 1D12@2 instead of engaging attacking land units during a combat round at a ratio of 2 land units per 1 air unit when attacking land units are present.

at the value of 1D12@3 if there are no attacking land units and only attacking aircraft units in the combat round (no ratio).

at the value of 1D12@1 vs attacking aircraft units that have retreated in the Air Combat round instead of attacking land units during a combat round at a ratio of 2 land units
per 1 air unit when attacking land units are present.

at the value of 1D12@1 vs attacking aircraft units that have retreated in the Air Combat round with no ratio for an unlimited amount of combat rounds if there are no attacking
land units.

3.2.7 Attacking and defending units that are assigned as casualties are removed from the board.

Note: Land units that are taken as casualties are still considered present before the end of the round (part 3.2.7).

Note: Submarines are considered to be revealed to all units if they fire (roll) on a combat round, therefore making submarines able to suffer casualties from any air or naval unit.  I
figured this had to be written down because of past experiences of lacking clarification.

Mechanics section

Retreating mechanics (for aircraft):

Attacking fighters, jet fighters, tactical bombers and naval bombers may chose to retreat up the amount of movement they have left after the combat round.  A sea zone must contain
a friendly aircraft carrier capable of being in the sea zone that has available space if the aircraft unit is landing in a sea zone.  Aircraft carriers may provide a landing area by moving
into the sea zone in the Non-Combat Phase, when planes land.  Long Range Aircraft technology permits retreating up to a maximum 4 territories/sea zones away (5 from an airbase) for
attacking fighters, jet fighters, and tactical bombers, and 5 away (6 from an airbase) for naval bombers.

Attacking heavy and strategic bombers may chose to retreat up the amount of movement they have left after the combat round.  Long Range Aircraft technology permits retreating up
to 7 territories/sea zones (8 from an airbase) away for attacking heavy and strategic bombers.

Defending fighters, jet fighters and tactical bombers may chose to retreat up to 2 territories, or two sea zones, or a combination of a territory and a sea zone away (or 3 from an
airbase).  A sea zone must contain a friendly aircraft carrier that has available space if the aircraft unit is landing in a sea zone. Aircraft carriers may provide a landing area by moving
into the sea zone in the Non-Combat Phase, when planes land.  Long Range Aircraft technology permits retreating up to 3 territories/sea zones away (remains at 3 from an airbase) for
defending fighters, jet fighters, tactical bombers and naval bombers. If there are no friendly territories or friendly aircraft carriers available for landing, the aircraft is/are destroyed.

Defending heavy and strategic bombers may chose to retreat up to 3 territories, or two sea zones, or a combination of a territory and a sea zone away (or 4 from an airbase).  Long
Range Aircraft technology permits retreating up to 4 territories/sea zones (remains at 4 from an airbase) away for defending heavy and strategic bombers.

Chasing (or routing, or whatever name, I don’t know…) mechanics:

If all attacking aircraft units retreat, defending fighters or jet fighters may choose to chase all attacking aircraft by using mechanics similar to interception; 1D12@3, or 1D12@4 for jet
fighters only once each.  Remove all assigned casualties from the board after one chasing round.

Retreating fighters and jet fighters forfeit combat rolls.

Retreating bomber aircraft that have been assigned as casualties as a result of chasing may roll 1D12@2 once each versus chasing fighters and/or jet fighters

If all defending aircraft units retreat, attacking fighters or jet fighters may choose to chase all attacking aircraft by using mechanics similar to interception; 1D12@3, or
1D12@4 for jet fighters only once each.  Remove all assigned casualties from the board after one chasing round.

Retreating fighters and jet fighters forfeit combat rolls.

Retreating bomber aircraft that have been assigned as casualties as a result of chasing may roll 1D12@2 once each versus chasing fighters and/or jet fighters.

If only a portion of the attacking or defending aircraft units have retreated and fighters remain on both sides, chasing may not occur.

Non-Combat Phase

Aircraft that are landing are subject to section 1.1 of the Air Combat Movement Rounds under the Combat Movement Phase.

Turn Order.doc

Do the same thing and add me on Steam and we can work out details!

@Royal:

See now this is interesting, because I’m playing Germany, and I don’t have nearly enough troops to get through Russia. It’s 1942, and I’m basically trying to hold onto the, what I call, “Leningrad line.” I built a lot of infantry, which in the end caused tons of problems because They simply can’t get to the front line fast enough. Don’t get me wrong, I make about 80 IPP’s, but I don’t have the mechanized power to keep the Russians at bay. What they have done is basically let me have everything, and stacked artillery and Militia in Moscow and Stalingrad, making them unreasonable to even try to attack. I don’t know what to do! America is just about to enter the war and throw roughly 10 transports at my door. Italy is doing well owning all of Africa, but Japan never did well and China and is basically 3 years behind the ballpark. I could start buying strategic bombers, but it seems like carpet bombing is a waste, even with heavy bombers.

That brings me to a question that I would like to have input on for everyone who is reading this Forum (Thanks by the way, I really needed some feedback like this!) Carpet bombing only hits on a 2 or less, which is like hitting on a 1 for a D6, but worse because there’s more sides. (I know statistics are the same but they still never seem to hit!) I was thinking about increasing carpet bombing to a 3 or less, to give them the real firepower they had. I know that they were really good at simply destroying cities, but the only concept that can show that is by destroying factories. What do you guys think? Would it be too strong, or do you think it would be okay?

I don’t think Germany should be able to “go through Russia”. Historically, it wasn’t the case. It is one of many of A&A legacies / fallacies. The Victory Points gives you a hint as to what territories are important to win the game. Germany wins nothing except a few IPPs by conquering Moscow. If the Russian player in your game has stacked Moscow & Stalingrad with slow units, he has lost the game.

Re Carpet bombing, I like the rules as they are (and so does everyone else in my group). Strategic bombers are meant for infrastructure. Historically, ‘carbet bombing’ armies were not effectively used in WW2.

@Whitshadw:

Don’t forget to donate next year to help keep this forum going. Help us keep HBG questions here where they belong.

Piss Off  El Cheapo !!!

Its a mater of marketing. If people could try or see it out at conventions and buy a complete boxed game there, im sure it would move into the market. But its a highly detailed large game with a time commitment. So its not ever going to sell like clue. And thats a ton of advertising

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=38414.0

Has a few ideas I used for this exact issue. I’ve changed a few things since with the chips colours. It was a bit overwhelming at first.

Though over time I’ve started to buy or make some pieces to replace these chips from hbg. Occasionally they are out of stock on some stuff.  Some we used often and others we didn’t bother with. Torpedo boat destroyers for example were not worth it for us we just switched to destroyers for these at setup. For now….

HBG says you can play with global40 oob pieces. But a few items are nice to have extra.

Found it way cheaper to buy some units from hbg. The pieces from Pacific or Europe 40. Some are sold in a complete bag for a nation uk and usa most likely in stock. And spray paint any extra colours you want. Dutch orange, yellow comunist china and spain to augment the special units in the same colours i bought.

If money isn’t an issue I’d say call or email the folks at HBG and get everything you need there. They know their stuff and can assist you with the pieces and options required. Have had lots of communication with them. They are very good at getting back to you and assisting with your orders!

@Whitshadw:

Once Italy is at war I do tend to Lend Lease what ever I can to them. This further aids them in power and projection as well it secures the southern approach. Just a thought if you wanna try it out.

Yeah! As Germany I also Lend-Lease every turn if I can spare it, I try buff up the Riga Marina via Lend Lease overland, a German Submarine since they are so cheap.

@Erocco:

Based on the German Minor Set 1 tank destroyers stats are A-D-M-C 5-5-2-5 with target selection: 1-2 (armor class units). Does this seem a bit OP given medium tanks are A-D-M-C 6-5-2-6 w/ blitz ability.

Btw how many of you use the tank destroyer unit for all nations in your games?

This target selection is based on an over-amplified bias toward tactical combat scale.
At strategic level, a given division has to fight other units which are in a given TTy and cannot pick according to its taste.

And compared to a Tank, a 5 IPCs targeting unit with one small offense pip (on a 12-sides dice) less is clearly better.
Fortunately, blitz is for Tank.

You may think about lowering some combat values but add a combined factor with Tank, Mech Inf or even Self-Propelled Artillery.

Mmm, where the British units present at Maginot before the outbreak of war with Germany?

I think even then, France has a decent chance of defending the Maginot against a German attack. If it mobilizes all its forces from the globe for sure.
I’ve been debating building nothing as France but Militia on Maginot, and exploit that huge defense bonus.

Its the Lightning War feature that really screws things up for France sometimes, especially by forcing France to protect multiple territories in Picardy and Maginot.

That’s what I was thinking, but I was not sure, I just needed confirmation. Thank you.

@HBG:

It is says: One side may claim victory when all opposing forces have been eliminated from the
six Spanish peninsula land zones (not including overseas islands and colonies).

Does this mean that nationalists do not have to declare victory if they do not want to or nationalists automatically win as soon as there are no more Republicans regardless of whether they want or not? (there are still Republicans territory)

Good question, and I think a better intepretation of the rule is that the Spanish Civil War ends at this point, there is no �option� to claim as the word �may� seems to indicate.

Example: The Republican intentionally make suicide attack to lose all units before the German attack on Russia and theirs aligning of Nationalists and Republicans. So Spain become Nationalists and they will Align with Germany at the
end of combat phase if the Axis have possession of either London or both Gibraltar and the Suez Canal. One strategy I have seen is the Germans stall the war out so that both sides Align and as soon s they do the Germans whack Gibraltar from Spain.   Certainly viable although later in the game Spain is the first place hit by the US or Britain.

@Veldin:

It is says: One side may claim victory when all opposing forces have been eliminated from the
six Spanish peninsula land zones (not including overseas islands and colonies).

Does this mean that nationalists do not have to declare victory if they do not want to or nationalists automatically win as soon as there are no more Republicans regardless of whether they want or not? (there are still Republicans territory)

Example: The Republican intentionally make suicide attack to lose all units before the German attack on Russia and theirs aligning of Nationalists and Republicans. So Spain become Nationalists and they will Align with Germany at the
end of combat phase if the Axis have possession of either London or both Gibraltar and the Suez Canal.

Thank you.