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Author Topic: The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World  (Read 3097 times)
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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2007, 04:57:46 pm »
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All Jutland may have done is foreshadow the end of the Battleships as the determining factor in Naval warfare... a lesson that was finally leanred for good at Midway.

And a point THAT minor does not warrant the top 15.
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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2007, 05:55:34 pm »
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I would contest the idea that Jutland is a determining factor in the demise of the battleship.  The first thing Britain demanded after the Armistice was the sinking of the German dreadnoughts.  Hindsight might show us early warning signs, but remember that in the inter-war period all naval treaties concentrated on restricting battleship development.  It was not until the start of hostilities in the Pacific that battleships were proven less effective.  If there had been a significant incidence of some weapon being distinctly better than the battleship, navies after the First World War would have jumped on the new bandwagon.
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2007, 06:14:13 pm »
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Oh, and since the point of this thread was to add five more battles, here's my list:

Mexico City (1847):  Established the U.S. as the dominant power in the Western Hemisphere, fulfilled the Manifest Destiny, and sewed the seeds of imperial aspirations that would culminate in greater involvement in world affairs as the 19th century ended.

Antietam/Sharpsburg (1862):  Essentially ended the Confederate State's bid for foreign recognition.  A lack of external support irreparably harmed the chances of a Southern victory.

Sedan (1870):  It has been mentioned already, as it marks the ascension of Germany into imperial power status and begins her military aspirations that would culminate in two world wars.

Hiroshima (1945):  No single discharge of a weapon has had so much impact upon the world.  The dropping of a single bomb changed warfare and world politics forever.  A 40-year Cold War and the threat of nuclear terrorist actions all stem from August 6, 1945.

Huai-Hai (1948):  This is my sleeper.  This was the battle that broke the back of Nationalist Chinese forces.  Their losses along the Huai River and the Hai Railway prevented them from further contesting Communist forces for mainland China.  In the 50 years since, the political and economic impact on the region has been more significant than almost all of the battles during the Pacific Theater of World War II.
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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2007, 06:56:48 pm »
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7300 Battle of Cosmara Archipelago -Battlestar Ricon had to be scuttled

7359 Battle of Molecay.  The Fifth Fleet lost in action.
         
7360 Colonial Fleet ambushed at the Peace Conference. 
          Twelve Colonies of the Three Suns conquered.
 
7362 Battle of Gomoray.  Battlestar Pegasus presumed destroyed.
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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2007, 06:58:19 pm »
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3487 Battle of Molecay  -cains 5th fleet destroyed

7300 Battle of Cosmara Archipelago -Battlestar Ricon had to be scuttled

7359 Battle of Molecay.  The Fifth Fleet lost in action.
         
7360 Colonial Fleet ambushed at the Peace Conference. 
          Twelve Colonies of the Three Suns conquered.
 
7362 Battle of Gomoray.  Battlestar Pegasus presumed destroyed.

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2007, 07:23:04 pm »
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I can't think of much to add to the original 15, but I suppose if you're Canadian, you're probably thankful that Benedict Arnold got stomped in his horribly bad invasion of Quebec at the start of the revolution.

Can you say "Northern United States"?

I wouldn't at all say stomped.  In fact he was not defeated, merely not able to further advance due to the logistics.

Battle of Yorktown would be more decisive.

I would agree post 1851 of adding Midway and Stalingrad.  Both turned what looked to be certain defeat into victory and turned the tides in those theatres.
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2007, 09:21:03 am »
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I wouldn't at all say stomped.  In fact he was not defeated, merely not able to further advance due to the logistics.

Logistically, beginning the overland journey from Boston to Quebec City in September was a dumb idea to begin with, but Arnold then lost the part of his army that hadn't died from disease or exposure in his attack on the city itself. The city was held with the loss of only 5 of its defenders. Arnold should get credit, however, for having his men going into the attack on Dec 31st knowing that their enlistment was up the following day...
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