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Author Topic: How do you respond to Sea Lion threat as UK?  (Read 4801 times)
JLord
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« on: November 16, 2006, 10:30:30 am »
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So suppose Germany makes an initial purchase of 1 carrier, 3 transports.  He places them in the Baltic and leaves 4 inf and 4 arm in Western Europe poised to attack UK.  How do you respond as UK?

What about a purchase of 5 transports, leaving 6 arm + 6 inf poised to attack?

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 11:39:16 am »
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Que?

UK can't buy 5 transports on UK1. It would cost $40, and UK only has $30 to begin with?
And what 6 arm + 6 inf are you referring to? UK do not start out with that amount of forces anyway?  huh

Confusion..   huh 
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 11:41:45 am »
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Move your fleet into position to block an easy landing (maybe forcing them to lose a transport or 2 if they attempt it), buy some tanks to place for when (if) they break through.  If your fleet is out of reach, buy a ton of infantry.  If you dont have a fleet, then your future isnt looking to bright with the UK.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 11:45:22 am »
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Que?

UK can't buy 5 transports on UK1. It would cost $40, and UK only has $30 to begin with?
And what 6 arm + 6 inf are you referring to? UK do not start out with that amount of forces anyway?  huh

Confusion..   huh 

He's asking what to do if Germany buys 5 transports.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 11:49:30 am »
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Build infantry and have America reinforce Britain with whatever it can!!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 12:00:54 pm »
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Buy 5 Infantry, 3 Armor

Move 1 Armor from E. Canada to England



Keep your fleet in SZ 2


You now have 8 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 5 Armor, 2 Fighters, 1 Bomber on England.

If you are still paranoid, you can put 2 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 armor, 1 fighter, 1 bomber on England on USA 1 and 2 more Fighters from Russian Caucasus to England on Russia 2.


Though, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that Germany can possibly bring enough crud to England to punch through 8 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 5 Armor and 1 Bomber.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 12:02:41 pm »
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Can Russian fighters reach London from Caucasus?  I don't have a map in front of me, but my recollection is they can't.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 12:03:53 pm »
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I dont think they can.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2006, 12:55:34 pm »
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Russian fighters from Caucasus can't reach UK on R2.  If you have fighters in Russia, they can reach.

The best way to counter this is as Jen has said - namely build land units.  But you will have to reinforce with US ground units, because if Germany buys 5 Trns on G1, you can expect that all surviving fighters and the bomber will land in WEur and be available to air support on G2.  If you are playing a FIDA bid, then Germany should bid 16 and place another transport in sz5 before R1.  That makes for 7 transports carrying 7 Inf, 7 Arm, with up to 6 fighters and 1 bomber in support.  Actually, with a bid of 16, you can give all the extra IPCs to Germany and have 8 transports after buying 6 on G1.

Interesting attack.  It's all or nothing and Germany might take UK but then has left nothing to hold off Russia and the US likely retakes UK on US2.  I'm not sure if I would try it, but some who like high risk attacks, might find this enjoyable.

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 12:58:43 pm »
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With maximum Allied defence (except the Russian fighters), the attack in almost 50-50.

Germany would attack with 8 inf, 8 arm, 6 ftrs, 1 bmr.  UK would be defended by 9 Inf, 2 Rtl, 6 Arm, 3 Ftr, 2 Bmr, AA.  My odds calculator says it is about a 46% chance of success.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2006, 01:21:07 pm »
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Anything below 50% in life is considered failure, even in this game.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 01:31:44 pm »
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Yea, I forgot to add in Ukraine, that was my bad.


And actually, the odds are MUCH worse then what SS is reporting. 


Why?  Because while he has the raw numbers close to correct (My Calc says 48% Attacker, 51% Defender, 1% Mutually Destroyed) he forgot the opportunity cost of no builds for Germany in round 1 for land defense and the removal of almost 100% of his post Russia 1 and Russia 2 surviving units.


Also, at the end of Russia 1, Germany should be reduced from 9 starting Armor to 7 starting armor, so it would be impossible to invade with 8 Infantry, 8 Armor.  You'd have to go with 8 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 7 Armor because the Armor in W. Russia and the Armor in Ukraine are most likely already destroyed.  Though the differenece between 8 armor and 7 armor, 1 artillery in this case makes almost no difference. (0.1% change in advantage of the defender.)


And afterwards, assuming Germany edged out with a victory, Russia is faced with Germany with 6 Infantry plus 30-35ish in builds due to not having anything else available to use in attacks that rount.

That means Germany, who now holds England, is faced with a Russia earning in the mid 30's income herself and an American liberation of England immenant.

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2006, 02:35:54 pm »
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Sealion on G1 or G2 is fools gold.   grin

As Jen pointed out a 5 inf, 3 arm buy will work as will a mix of air and inf then add in the US support.



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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2006, 03:32:22 pm »
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Is a transport purchase on G1 a winning play?  There is still the benefit of forcing UK's hand and making them buy land troops in England rather than an IC or a navy.  So is it worth it?

I use it occasionally as Germany and it seems to work out pretty good.  Of course the threat in UK is always countered, but it does delay the allied fleet buildup, and it allows you to shuttle lots of infantry to Karelia.  Or are these benefits not worth spending an entire turn on the German navy?
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2006, 04:05:34 pm »
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If facing 5 TRN, build all land units, but sacrifice your TRN and BB from SZ2, as well as teh USSR SUB, to SZ6.

Then Gemany has to fight through the Allied Fleet first before they even reach UK.

UK will be out a navy, but so will the germans (except for TRNs which will be dead almost immediately after the Sea Lion attempt), UK will hold, and from there it is just a matter of rebuilding fleet and hammering the Germans for a few turns until they break.  Russia will do rather nicely during that time also, especially if the Luftwaffe dis in the Sea Lion attempt.
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