• how whould combinging all the infantry that can reach on yakut on R1 affect the Japan.  inever did thihs bout it would be like 10inf 2turns from manchuria. as japan manchuria is ussally were my transports drop off so you can treaten the japnese supply line. but would it work or would it  cause moscow to fall?

  • 2007 AAR League

    A more crediable threat is to put 6 Inf in Buryatia and 2 Arm in Yakut, that way you have the option to go into Manchuria with 6 Inf+2 Arm.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    It is done.  But I personally think a stronger open is 4 Infantry in Sinkiang, 6 Infantry in Buryatia.  The trick here is that you HAVE to kill that Transport on SZ 59 or you just end up loosing 6 Russian infantry on Bury.

    This open forces Japan to be more honest, or you get free money for Manchuria.  It also defends Sink in case America wants an IC there.

    Also, if you give up those two armor for Yakut, what are you hitting Germany with?


  • an even better open is 6 inf 1 fig in bury…that leads to a very strong kjf(dont send the 4 inf to yakut they will be needed on the western front.  R1 purchase; 1 fig, 1arm, 3 inf
                          combat move; belo 3 inf 1 fig
                                              west russia; 7 inf 2 art 2-4 arm depending on if you think cauc is defendable (probably is)


  • @nooob:

    an even better open is 6 inf 1 fig in bury…that leads to a very strong kjf(dont send the 4 inf to yakut they will be needed on the western front.  R1 purchase; 1 fig, 1arm, 3 inf
                          combat move; belo 3 inf 1 fig
                                               west russia; 7 inf 2 art 2-4 arm depending on if you think cauc is defendable (probably is)

    For my kjf its 4Inf 3 art. 1ipc = 2 units attack at 2. Why waste 10 ipc on a fighter?

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I don’t think he was spending the money on it, Squire.  I think he was sending it from Russia instead of using it against Germany.


  • @Jennifer:

    I don’t think he was spending the money on it, Squire.  I think he was sending it from Russia instead of using it against Germany.

    Re-read his quote. He said part of his R1 purchase was 1 more fighter.


  • Unless there is a KJF, or at least SJF, in place, putting Russian INF in Bury is risky (as I proved in a recent game when I obliterated those Bury forces on J1).

    REMEMBER:  Japan’s greatest power is achieved in coastal territories, and is strongest close to Japan.  That means that Bury is about the WORST place to try to block Japan, since it plays against ALL of Japan’s strength.


  • @ncscswitch:

    Unless there is a KJF, or at least SJF, in place, putting Russian INF in Bury is risky (as I proved in a recent game when I obliterated those Bury forces on J1).

    REMEMBER:  Japan’s greatest power is achieved in coastal territories, and is strongest close to Japan.  That means that Bury is about the WORST place to try to block Japan, since it plays against ALL of Japan’s strength.

    Yep.


  • okay…so hears tha d in’ bury’ on jpn1…
                                                            6inf(rus)  2fig(1rus,1uk)

    all i can say is get ready for KJF


  • There was a thread on site earlier about Russia going offensive instead of defensive.  I believe Jennifer started it.  Anyway, the consensus was that an offensive Russia was pretty much suicide, unless the Allies could really help out strongly and early.  Russia just doesn’t have the horses to go offensive without leaving the dreaded “empty rear echelon” behind the front. :-P


  • Russia isnt gonna ‘be offensive’ The only thing russia is gonna do is make sure ger buys a ACC on G1


  • Sorry, Nooob.  I think Germany will pass on the AC and attack long and hard for Moscow, since some of the defense has been diverted toward Japan.  Without some quick aid, Russia could be gone by G3 or G4. :|

  • 2007 AAR League

    Why not put the 2 inf from SFe and Bry in Yak, then move the forces from Yak and Eve back to nov, with 2 inf moving from kaz to sin? Instead of having 6 inf in Yak you have them in Nov, allowing for a much more flexible distribution of force (split between Sin and Yak, moving all 6 inf to one or the other, or moving the six inf to mos)…

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yes, you can kill all 6 russian infantry in Bury on J1.  However, what did you have to forgo doing to get that kind of firepower to bear?

    And SJF is the only way to play.  Japan is the weakest, it’s very easy to mass strong Allied attacks against her by all three nations with minimal investments and taking territories away is a real pain for Japan to reclaim.


  • @nooob:

    okay…so hears tha d in’ bury’ on jpn1…
                                                            6inf(rus)  2fig(1rus,1uk)
                                   
                          all i can say is get ready for KJF

    So you want to forgo trading territories with Germany early game?

    Also, why the bad spelling?


  • @Adonai:

    Why not put the 2 inf from SFe and Bry in Yak, then move the forces from Yak and Eve back to nov, with 2 inf moving from kaz to sin? Instead of having 6 inf in Yak you have them in Nov, allowing for a much more flexible distribution of force (split between Sin and Yak, moving all 6 inf to one or the other, or moving the six inf to mos)…

    Because in a typical Japanese first turn, there are 1-2 infantry in Ssinkiang.

    If the Allies attack Ssinkiang from China, they solve Japan’s logistical problem for them.  (That logistical problem is the one of getting infantry from Tokyo to the front; if the Allies move TOWARDS Tokyo, that’s less distance for the Japs to cover).  If Ssinkiang is retaken in force, then Japan can easily counterattack from the coast.  Any Allied attack from China/Ssinkiang is doomed to failure.

    So - if an attack is useless, how about defense?  If you defend China lightly, China gets run over by air and infantry, which is good for Japan.  If China is defended heavily, China just attacks in the north or south, which is still decent for Japan.

    But a strong force in Yakut forces Japan to commit its reserves to the north early on.  After the commitment of slow-moving Japanese infantry to the northern front, Russia can redirect its infantry to Novosibirsk then China, in time to repel any serious Japanese attack through the middle.

    That is why I wouldn’t do the move as listed.  Novosibirsk is key mid-late game.  But early game, you’re trying to control the outer territories, so Yakut is key.


  • Nah… just land 1 INF there on J1, invite the Russians to Counter, then hit them with my J1 build plus AF and any BB’s that are in range.

    In short, Russia stacking Yakut is a no lose scenario for Japan.

    An SFE stack though CAN be a royal pain in the butt for Japan though…


  • @Jennifer:

    Yes, you can kill all 6 russian infantry in Bury on J1.  However, what did you have to forgo doing to get that kind of firepower to bear?

    And SJF is the only way to play.  Japan is the weakest, it’s very easy to mass strong Allied attacks against her by all three nations with minimal investments and taking territories away is a real pain for Japan to reclaim.

    Exactly what is a “minimal” investment?

    A fleet capable of defending against 2 battleships, 2 carriers, seven fighters, and a bomber?
    Two industrial complexes?

    Etc.?

    The way I see it, KGF is always the way to go in non-tournament games.  There is an initial investment of transports that can be used to transport cost-efficient units into Archangel for defense of Moscow and fighters that can be used to attack different land targets as well as the German navy.  For KJF, you must build multiple carriers to give fighters landing points, and there is no transport setup to reinforce Moscow from German attack.  (Western US-Canada-Alaska-Soviet Far East-Yakut-Novosibirsk-Moscow is far slower than Washington-London-Archangel-Moscow).

    I would consider a KJF feasible if Japan lost two of its carriers and/or battleships first turn.


  • @ncscswitch:

    Nah… just land 1 INF there on J1, invite the Russians to Counter, then hit them with my J1 build plus AF and any BB’s that are in range.

    In short, Russia stacking Yakut is a no lose scenario for Japan.

    An SFE stack though CAN be a royal pain in the butt for Japan though…

    Yeah, that’s why a lot of players I see leave 1 infantry in Burytia.  But I never do it.

    Thing is, 6 inf in Burytia is OK if you put a UK fighter there.  But you have to decide on the Russian move before the German move.  So you don’t know if Germany will leave an opening for the UK Indian Ocean fighter (usually this means you don’t know if Germany will successfully take Anglo-Egypt or not).  So - usually I will NOT put 6 inf, because I think Germany will probably not leave a big opening for the Indian fighter.  So the question is - one infantry or none?

    If you could count on Japan diverting a fighter to Burytia, then leaving a Russian infantry there would be good because it would increase the casualties inflicted by the US on Japan in China (or is it Ssinkiang?)  But as Japan, my standard is to use the battleship support shot to hit Burytia along with a couple of offloaded units.  SO - I think you gain nothing by leaving an infantry in Burytia, but you DO lose an infantry.

    BUT - do you lose anything by stacking in Yakut?  Sure you do; you lose a bit of time as Russia.  But I think it’s worth it because the Japanese player has to take those infantry into account to avoid expanding too quickly (I usually land fighters in Russia, so the six infantry are a SOMEWHAT credible threat).

    The way I see it, stacking a few Russian infantry in Yakut doesn’t hurt the Russians.  It is almost a negligible threat to Japan, but at least it doesn’t hurt the Russians, so I do it.

    (edit) - yeah, the Japanese battleship is often sent towards Pearl, but I prefer to use it to escort transports against possible Allied air.  If I do Pearl, I usually do massed air with a destroyer fodder.

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