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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2006, 06:01:03 pm »
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1.  Russia has a build limit
2.  Russia builds fartehr from the front
3.  Russia loses an average of 4 IPC form SBR with no risk to Germany
4.  Japan faces fewer forces in the Middle East
5.  Russian Forces are diverted to re-taking Caucuses instead of attacking elswhere
6.  Germany has a 50% chance of being net positive revenue from taking it
7.  Germany has a good chance of killing AT LEAST 1 Russian INF in the re-take
8.  Russia can;t land FIGs there, so Germany has an increased chance to take it AGAIN on their next turn.
9.  Russia has to bleed off the West Russia Stack for both karelia and Ukraine counters (ending the WRS)
10.  Germany is now fighting and trading adjacent to Moscow, instead of in Central Europe... the war is in now in allied territory, not axis territory (always a bad sign for the Allies).


1.  Russia already had a build limit because they cannot afford more then 8 units anyway, not and get a good spread like they'll need.  So this is a null point.
2.  Russia builds 1 space farther from the front, not a significant change.  Not like if Germany suddenly went from building in Caucasus to having to build in Germany.
3.  This is the only real draw back to this manuever.  Germany can tie up her own bomber hitting Caucasus instead of going with it to Egypt or the British fleet.
4.  Are you not the one who constantly bickers that Russia's going to die if she sends even 1 infantry towards teh middle east?  Now you're saying it's easier for Japan because she isnt?  Could you please stick to one line of reasoning instead of being so wishy-washy?  Yes.  There is nothing headed to India...there never is for me ANYWAY, but now there definately is not.
5.  Russia diverts next to nothing retaking Cuacaus unless Germany over commits in which case now Russia has Caucasus, Belorussia, Karelia and Ukraine on Russia 2.
6.  Yea, but you'll definately not have more then 3 IPC for the land and you're going to loose anything you put on it anyway, so odds are you're out 3 or 4 IPC on the SBR and at least 3 IPC for the infantry used to take it.
7.  Yup.  You'll probably get 1 infantry, unless you only had 1 there to take it.  In which case, Russia has a good chance of getting 2 or 3 German infantry and maybe even a tank or two in retaking it.  net gain Russia
8.  Yup, if Germany has anything to take it with.  Of course, there's nothing saying that England can't have 3 infantry moving in to retake Caucasus and then have Russia land fighters there.  Anyone who hits Borneo and New Guinea will have 3 infantry and an AA gun poised in Persia anyway, specifically to move into Caucasus or retake India if lightly invaded.
9.  The WRS is a waste of resources anyway.  You want to have a couple of stacks in Archangel and Caucasus not in W. Russia.  That way Germany has to stack E. Europe not Belorussia or Ukraine cause Russia can just move around you then.
10.  Germany is not trading adjacent to Moscow, unless you think the initial loss of W. Russia is also germany trading adjacent to moscow.  1 Turn of trading near Moscow does not mean the focus shifts there.


Common Switch.  You're smarter then this.  You know for a fact that there's a zero percent chance of Germany taking Caucasus a second time and very good odds that Germany will be over extended in an effort to COST Russia for retaking it.  A Russian sack of German forces in Caucasus will cost Germany much more then Russia.  You loose all you gain for the land to SBR, you loose at least 1 infantry for 3 more.  So Germany's down 4-7, Russia's down 0-4.

That's a bonus for Russia anyway you slice the cake.  Especially if you're stupid enough to try and take it in force.  (BTW, if you do take with one infantry, then England pays the 3 IPC and Russia doesn't even loose a single infantryman in the retake.) 

And the frosting?  Russia's WRS is even larger then normal since he probably only lost 1 or 2 infantry and had 12 inf, 2 art, 3 arm, 2 figs to start with.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2006, 11:42:17 pm »
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Nice assumptions made here.

Japan can take india turn 2 ?? Who said they can take it. If germany does not attack in afrika at all then Uk does not have to counter there and can even defend india making it a nice fortress.

Or UK can move the india fleet to the med ( or even do both )  threathning your south side and turn 2 you will have US troops attacking you in western europe.
Germany has a total of 4 inf that can hit caucasus on turn 2 7 if you leave those in the ukraine there, providing you did not attack belo on turn 1. Russia can easy strafe that stack and take back caucasus ( might even destroy your stack ), you then have 4 3 inf to counter his complete stack with a AA there and with the US knocking on the door at the other side and the UK taking afrika and holding it germany is screwed there.

But i think it would be better if russia put 4 of his new inf on caucasus. It is closer to the front and if germany wants that country they will be cut off on R2 without a chance to counter.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 01:35:20 am »
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If Russia puts 4 INF on Caucuses in R1, and amphib is out.

What I wrote abvoe was for a single INF left in Caucuses.

Also, that does NOT preclude an Egypt attack, expecially with ANY bid to Africa.  Skip the DD in SZ15 and jsut use Balkans FIG, 2 INF and 1 ARM from Libya.  Still a 70% clear and 60% win.  And if the Ukraine FIG is still alive for the battle it is an 89% win.
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