POLL: Most important Builds in Turn 1 (AAR

[ncscswitch]

Not looking for explicit and complete builds, just the MAIN purchase(s) made that are critical in Turn 1.  Again, you may choose up to 5.

[Atlantikwall]

Your russian purchases and attacks depend first on the bid. Then your russian ncm may depend on the dice results. Now the german purchases may depend on all that happened before. UK-purchases are even more dependant on where german navy and air force is. Even Japan may not be able to build trn because of too many UK-fleet and airforce around sz60 and sz61.

What I wanted to say is that you can serioiusly answer this question only for Russia, everything else depends!

[ncscswitch]

True, but everyone has their "general style" of game play... what they plan to do for each of the 5 nations at start.

The polls for NCM and builds were geared to that.

As with any plan though, they never survive contact with the enemy, which in this case is almost invariably going to be R1

[AJ]

How about British Transports, UK is kinda useless without them.

[ncscswitch]

My rationale for my votes:

1.  Russian FIG.  With 3 FIGs, Russia has plenty of offensive punch for territory trading in Europe to keep her income up, without leaving expensive ARM behind to be killed on a German counter attack.  Those FIGs also provide some serious defensive punch, and when combined with stacked INF, create a very nice Russian Meat Grinder for German forces that attack core territories.

2.  Baltic AC.  Cheapest way to get serious defense out of the Baltic Fleet.  Also creates long-range risk to Allies fleets by German FIGs since, unless contianed, the AC can sail out to recover FIGs that attack as far away as SZ2.  It also maintains a minimal Sea Lion threat that keeps UK "honest".

3.  UK AC.  In my opinion, this is the key to establishing control in the Atlantic, and in protecting TRNs that will be used to destroy Germany.  Without solid fleet defense from the start, the German AF and Navy are too great of a threat and will thwart Allied landing attempts until either fleet defense IS built by the Allies, or attrition finally takes out the Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine, which may well occur too late for the Allies to save Russia.

4.  Japan IC (either Manch or FIC).  While TRNs are nice, that early IC will have huge production value against Russia.  Also, Japan hits their build limit VERY quickly without a second IC.  A J1 IC purchase prevents the build limit from being an immediate issue and allows Japan to maximize their drive on Moscow.

5.  US Atlantic TRNs.  The key to victory in KGF.  Get the US into the European war as fast and as hard as possible.

[ncscswitch]

How about British Transports, UK is kinda useless without them.

Added a "UK Other"option (missed it on initial creation of the poll).

[tcnance]

we agree completely except the japan ic build, i think you need the trannys to empty the islands , and island hop as soon as possible

[ncscswitch]

You still have 3 TRN after J1, instead of 5 with an all TRN buy.

[Cmdr Jennifer]

Another decent question, in line with this thread is:

Do you think England or America should build an Industrial Complex in Finland/Norway?  (Depends on who owns it.)

[ncscswitch]

My answer is... neither.

Transports are more effective at threatening a much larger portion of Germany's territories.

[AJ]

Wouldn't it be much easier for America to get troops into Europe through an IC in Norway? That would reduce the amount of transports needed and make getting to Germany quicker making it a good trade ... assuming the Baltic Fleet is toast.

[ncscswitch]

Once the Baltic Fleet is toast, Norway is no longer at risk

Troops in Norway require 3 turns to threaten Germany by land.  US Eastern transported troops only require 2 turns.

Also, Norway troops, unless supported by 2 TRNs (one of which has half of its capacity wasted) can only strike via Karelia to Eastern to Germany.  Transported troops threaten Western, Germany, Eastern, Southern in just 2 turns of movement.  Forcing Germany to spread out his defenses is worth a LOT of extra units...

[AJ]

It wouldn't replace the transport system just assist it

[ncscswitch]

It wouldn't replace the transport system just assist it

By that time, I think it would be superfluous.

UK can;t afford to build it.  Heck, they need $32 just to keep their 4 TRNs filled with the optimum load... which corresponds with their build limit.
USA can build 12 units in EUS, requiring 12 TRNs and $52 to maintain optimum loads.

By the time either of those two nations has the cash to spare for an IC, they won't need to buy one anymore.  They can just use Rome or Berlin to build more units

[Cmdr Jennifer]

I was thinking along the same lines.  With an IC in Norway you can afford to loose transports for the opportunity of shooting down fighters.  Or you can just use transports to block the ��� fleet and still get the same number of units.  Or you can feed troops to a different front.  Or you can feed troops to Russia for homeland defense while still pressuring Europe with transports.


After all, USA only needs 8 transports to be effective with an IC.  They need 10-12 without one.