Rules clarification

[Sankt Hallvard]

Can you take possession of allied territories you "liberated" provided their capital is occupied by the enemy?  (AKA, Moscow is in German hands, can USA take possession of Yakut and collect its income until Moscow is liberated?)

I think my previous "NO" to this question followed a link should be given a short version explanation.. 

Let's assume Moscow has fallen.. Then territories that are russian controlled remain so even if allied troops enter. But if Karelia(Russian owned) is controlled by Germany and is then liberated by UK it would be controlled by UK as the "liberator"(and you can claim income from it, build there etc.) If Moscow is liberated it will return to Russia.

I found that a little strange, as one particularly strange situation can occur. Russia pushes for Berlin(common tactic) while Japan rushes for Moscow. Let's assume the capitals fall about simultaneously. If Russia had captured the German territories in between and her own territories are not taken by either Japan or Germany it means Russia will "hold up" lots of income for all of these countries as the allies can not take control of them. In fact they have an incentive to retreat from these territories and let Japan conquer them so that they in return might move back in and "liberate"..

That's the short version. If you want more, follow the link I gave earlier. 

[Emperor Mollari]

I read the post by LH, and as I understand an allied power could claim the IPC of a "liberated" country if the Owning countries captial is occupied and the territory in question was enemy occupied/controlled when liberated:

Example:

Moscow has fallen to the axis, allied troops move/land in Karelliea and take possesion.

Then:
If Karellia was under Russian control (occupied or not) the allies could not claim the IPC's
If Karellia was under Axis control (occupied or not) the allies could claim the IPC's

Is this the general consensus?

[U-505]

Yep.

[ncscswitch]

Correct.

The rule is that you CAN claim the territory of a fallen ally IF you take that territory from the enemy.

You can NOT claim it if it is still controlled by the fallen ally.

And if the allied capital is liberated, all of their territory controled by an ally returns to the original nation immediately.

[Cmdr Jennifer]

That's at least a decent rule.

Another decent one, if you want to avoid the moral dilemna of the actual rule, would be to pay the player for all liberated/uncontrolled lands and once his capital is built he gets to spend that money.  It would signify the underground/resistance still working towards liberation of the country while preventing allies from just keeping that cash.

/shrug.  It was a thought.

[ncscswitch]

THe lack of ability of an ally to claim lands diurect from a fallen ally I always took to be "allied support of the resistance".

As for income though, with no central government, the taxing ability is gone, and thus so is the income generating capability of those lands... at least until a new adminsitrative authority comes in to restore order (either Allied or Enemy).