@wittmann:
SBR only D6. Interceptors defend at 2.
Against Navy, a Bomber only gets a 2, unless paired with any other unit, then it is a 4. This on a one to one Basis.
Do you mean that Strategic Bomber attack at 4 in regular combat vs ground units, but only Attack @2 when attacking units in SZ?
Such a drastic change in SBRs will deters them too much.
At least, keep 1D+2 damage.
Using regularkid’s HR playing escort A2 and intercept D2 is nearer the razor edge between no SBR or no intercept.
However, I know that maths are goods with YG suggestion to better balance StBs vs interceptors.
- 1 dice @1 per bomber formation against 1 @1 per Fighter is better than regularkid’s SBR.
Less attrition on defending side, defender more willing to commit interceptors and attacker StB is only facing @1 defense, makes for around 2/6 being destroyed.
However, the maths I made were for a A0 bomber with D6+3 damage.
I suggest to keep D6+2 in all situations, not just when starting from AB.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35883.msg1409122#msg1409122
Summary: StB A0 damage: 1D6**+3**, Fg A1 D1
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 5.417 - 2 = +3.417 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 4.514 - 3.667 = + 0.847 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.762 - 5.056 = - 1.294 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 6.933 - 5.334 = + 1.599 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 3 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.762 - 5.056 = - 1.294 IPC. damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 9.027 - 7.334 = + 1.693 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 7.084 - 3.667 = + 3.417 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 9.930 - 5.666 = + 4.264 IPCs damage/SBR run
Summary:
1942.2 SBR HRules with StB A0 and Fg A1 D1 : damage 1D6+2
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 3.819 - 3.667 = + 0.152 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.183 - 5.056 = - 1.873 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 6.123 - 5.334 = + 0.789 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 3 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.183 - 5.056 = - 1.873 IPC. damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 7.639 - 7.334 = + 0.305 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 6.250 - 3.667 = + 2.583 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/SBR run
The maths for 1D6+2 and @0 StBs were insert in this thread:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35614.msg1391990#msg1391990
G1940 OOB SBR:
1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
Sum: +4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1
Sum: + 5.486 - 3.667 = + 1.819 IPC damage/SBR run
1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: + 4.85 - 5.056 = - 0.206 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: +7.775 - 5.33 = + 2.445 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: +10.973 - 7.334 = + 3.639 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1
Sum: + 7.639 - 3.667 = + 3.972 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1
Sum: +11.459 - 5.666 = + 5.793 IPCs damage/SBR run
The original post is this one:
@Baron:
Down below here is a completly different way of doing SBR for 1942.2
Strategic Bomber in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 0
Bombard IC damage: 1D6+2
Fighter in air-to-air combat SBR:
Attack 1
Defend 1
IC’s AAA: @1 against each Strategic Bomber
1942.2 SBR HRules with StB A0 and Fg A1 D1 : damage 1D6+2
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
AAA roll = odds casualties
5/6 StB survived * 5.5 IPCs = +4.583 IPCs
1/6 StB killed *12 IPCs = -2 IPCs
Sum: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber Att 0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor Def 1
Interceptor Fg roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/66/6 = 6/36 1 StB killed by Fg
5/61/6 = 5/36 1 StB killed by AAA
5/6*5/6 = 25/36 No casualty at all.
Results:
Bombard on IC 25/36* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.819 IPCs
StB killed 11/36 *-12 IPCs = - 3.667 IPCs
Sum: + 3.819 - 3.667 = + 0.152 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber Att 0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors Def 1
Interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
11/366/6 = 66/216 1 StB killed by Fg
25/361/6 = 25/216 1 StB killed by AAA
25/36*5/6 = 125/216 No casualty at all.
Results:
Bombard on IC 125/216* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 3.183 IPCs
StB killed 91/216 *-12 IPCs = - 5.056 IPCs
Sum: + 3.183 - 5.056 = - 1.873 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Fighter Att 1 and 1 Strategic Bomber Att 0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors Def 1
Fighter roll/interceptors Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/61/366/6 = 6/1296 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fgs vs 1 Fg
1/610/361/6= 10/1296 1 Fg killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1/610/365/6= 50/1296 1 Fg killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
1/625/361/6 = 25/1296 1 StB killed by AAA
1/625/365/6 = 125/1296 No casualty vs 1 Fg
5/620/366/6 = 600/1296 1 Fg and 1 StB killed by Fg vs no casualty
5/616/361/6 = 80/1296 1 Fg killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5/616/365/6 = 400/1296 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 1050/1296 * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.456 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 216/1296 +10 IPCs = + 1.667 IPCs
Fg killed: 300/1296-10 IPCs = - 2.315 IPCs
StB killed: 150/1296*-12 IPCs = - 1.389IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 96/1296*-22 IPCs = - 1.630 IPCs
Sum: + 6.123 - 5.334 = + 0.789 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Fighter Att 1 and 1 Strategic Bomber Att 0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor Def 1
Fighter roll/interceptor Fg roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/61/61/6= 1/216 1 Fg killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1/61/65/6= 5/216 1 Fg killed by Fg vs 1 Fg
1/65/61/6 = 5/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs 1 Fg
1/65/65/6 = 25/216 No casualty vs 1 Fg
5/61/61/6 = 5/216 1 Fg killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5/61/65/6 = 25/216 1 Fg killed by Fg vs no casualty
5/65/61/6 = 25/216 1 StB killed by AAA vs no casualty
5/65/65/6 = 125/216 no casualty at all
Results:
Bombard on IC: 180/216 * ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 4.583 IPCs
Killing 1 Fg: 36/216 +10 IPCs = + 1.667 IPCs
Fg killed:30/216-10 IPCs = - 1.389 IPCs
StB killed: 30/216*-12 IPCs = - 1.667 IPCs
StB & Fg killed: 6/216*-22 IPCs = - 0.611 IPC
Sum: + 6.250 - 3.667 = + 2.583 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers Att 0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors Def 1
Interceptor Fgs roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/3636/36= 36/1296 2 StBs killed by Fgs
10/366/36 = 60/1296 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA
10/6*30/36= 300/1296 1 StB killed by Fg
25/361/36 = 25/1296 2 StBs killed by AAA
25/3610/36 = 250/1296 1 StB killed by AAA
25/36*25/36 = 625/1296 No casualty at all.
Results:
2x Bombard on IC 625/1296* ((2+4)+(12+4) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = +5.305 IPCs
1x Bombard on IC 550/1296* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 2.334 IPCs
2 StBs killed 121/1296*-24 IPCs = - 2.241 IPCs
1 StB killed 550/1296*-12 IPCs = - 5.093 IPCs
Sum: + 7.639 - 7.334 = + 0.305 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers Att 0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor Def 1
Interceptor Fg roll/ AAA roll = odds casualties
1/66/36 = 6/216 1 StB killed by Fg and 1 StB killed by AAA
1/630/36= 30/216 1 StB killed by Fg
5/61/36 = 5/216 2 StBs killed by AAA
5/610/36 = 50/216 1 StB killed by AAA
5/6*25/36 = 125/216 No casualty at all.
Results:
2x Bombard on IC 125/216* ((2+4)+(12+4) IPCs)/2= +11 IPCs) = +6.366 IPCs
1x Bombard on IC 80/216* ((1+2)+(6+2) IPCs)/2= +5.5 IPCs) = + 2.037 IPCs
2 StBs killed 11/216*-24 IPCs = - 1.222 IPC
1 StB killed 80/216*-12 IPCs = - 4.444 IPCs
Sum: + 8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/SBR run
Summary:
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor
Sum: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 3.819 - 3.667 = + 0.152 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 3.183 - 5.056 = - 1.873 IPC. damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 6.123 - 5.334 = + 0.789 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1
Sum: + 7.639 - 7.334 = + 0.305 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 6.250 - 3.667 = + 2.583 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1
Sum: + 8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/SBR run
Comparison of this HR with Triple A SBR for 1942.2
1942.2 SBR HRules with StB A0 and Fg A1 D1 : damage 1D6+2 Triple A SBR for 1942.2: damage 1D6
1 Strategic Bomber doing SBR against no interceptor 1 StB doing SBR without interceptor
Sum: + 4.583 - 2 = +2.583 IPCs damage/SBR run Sum: +2.917 - 2 = +0.917 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1 1 StB A1 against 1 Fg D1
Sum: + 3.819 - 3.667 = + 0.152 IPC. damage/SBR run Sum: +3.69 - 3.667 = + 0.023 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1 1 StB A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: + 3.183 - 5.056 = - 1.873 IPC. damage/SBR run Sum: + 2.025 - 5.056 = - 3.031 IPCs damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: + 6.123 - 5.334 = + 0.789 IPC damage/SBR run Sum: +6.155 - 5.33 = + 0.825 IPC damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 2 interceptors D1 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 2 intercepting Fgs D1
Sum: + 7.639 - 7.334 = + 0.305 IPCs damage/SBR run Sum: +8.195 - 7.334 = + 0.861 IPC damage/SBR run
1 Fighter A1 and 1 Strategic Bomber A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1 1 StB & 1 Fg A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1
Sum: + 6.250 - 3.667 = + 2.583 IPC damage/SBR run Sum: + 5.973 - 3.667 = + 2.306 IPCs damage/SBR run
2 Strategic Bombers A0 doing SBR against 1 interceptor D1 2 StBs A1 doing SBR against 1 intercepting Fg D1
Sum: + 8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/SBR run Sum: +8.403 - 5.666 = + 2.737 IPCs damage/StB