Tactical bombers mech inf and major minor IC


  • I recently acquired some of the g40 pieces namly tactical bombers mech infantry and major/minor Ic’s I was wondering if anyone had experimented with implementing these pieces into 1942.2 and if so what were your thoughts


  • I also have some of the air and naval base tokens as well

  • '17 '16

    @foxymethoxy:

    I also have some of the air and naval base tokens as well

    I used Air Base and gives Carolines and Hawaiin islands a free one at start up.
    It was intended to increase island hoping because it was treat as a carrier in a SZ for outbound and inbound fighters. StB only get +1 move outbound. Each also provide 1 Fg not 3,  as scramble unit in the SZ. (In addition to any Victory city which also allow 1 Fg scramble.)
    However, in the few games played, the Pacific Ocean was never a very active theater.

  • '17 '16

    @foxymethoxy:

    I recently acquired some of the g40 pieces namly tactical bombers mech infantry and major/minor Ic’s I was wondering if anyone had experimented with implementing these pieces into 1942.2 and if so what were your thoughts

    I introduced on start-up board TcBs, but not MechInf.
    MechInf helps Japanese in Asian blitz against Russia.
    TcBs should have been a part of OOB 1942.2.
    There is so many ships: SS, Trn, DD, Cruiser, Carrier, BB !
    And only 2 types of OOB planes?!?
    Even ground troops gets Artillery and AAA for 4 types!

  • 2024 '22 '21 '19 '15 '14

    Tactical Bombers, or Mech inf units could maybe be accommodated, but I would think that introducing the G40 factory mechanics into 1942.2 would probably break the game. Just a few things to consider…

    Major factory in UK allowing for a 10 unit drop on KGF, or in Japan a 10 + drop to defeat any real chance of KJF taking Tokyo.

    Major factory purchase in Manchuria, allowing Japan to push wildly across Asia.

    India, Caucasus, or Italy upgraded to Major dropping 10+ units a round.

    Eastern US restricted to 10, preventing an effective Atlantic crossing.

    I suppose its possible some of these might balance out against each other, but at a glance I think it would bust the set up. I’ve never tried though, so this is just conjecture not the result of any experiments. Could be I’m in the minority, but I find the G40 rules concerning factories unnecessarily confusing. The prohibition of factories on islands, when starting factories are on islands (UK, Japan), while at the same time basically shutting down any chance of a pacific minor factory, which would probably have been the most interesting use for them anyway. The necessity to build new factories in “original” territories, when these don’t necessarily correspond to the “starting” territories. The fact that minors only require a territory at 2 ipcs to drop, but can produce 3 units, while majors only need a territory at 3 but can drop 10 units.

    To me the execution just complicates an aspect of the game that should be relatively straight forward. It took a cool idea (that you might separate unit deployment from an attachment to the printed ipc values on the map, or build minor factories in territories without a restriction on IPC value cap) and then watered it down to something that just seems annoying. I see the whole Major/Minor factory dynamic in G40 as yet another example of stubbornness and inflexibility regarding the games overall production distribution. The desire to maintain territories at zero or 1 ipc is so strong, that rather than adjusting IPC values up directly, you split the factory unit class in two? Introducing confusion into a part of the game that used to be easy to explain and teach. And then nerf it such that it is basically useless in the one area of the map where it might prove interesting (valueless pacific islands!) hehe. Its the sort of thing that makes me knock my head on the wall.  :-D

    I think there is something elegant and intuitive about capping production at the printed ipc value 1:1 the way it is handled under normal 1942.2 rules. Its easier to keep track of, since the numbers are written directly on the board. I’d rather have more territories just raised to a value of 2 ipcs directly on the board (so they are viable for normal factories) rather than creating a whole new mechanic for factories, or multiple different factory unit types. Another paragraph of rules, another thing to keep track of in an already complex game. Alas

    Here is an idea about how to use those same Major and Minor Factory units in 1942.2…
    Ditch the global rules about them altogether, and then use the pieces in some new way! :)

    For example, retain the Majors as your normal factory unit, and use the Minors as some kind of forward deployment base that has nothing to do with the printed IPC values. As a side note, the most interesting rules I have found for 1942.2 regarding factories, is to allow ICs to be destroyed… whether optionally, by the withdrawing defender, or automatically as soon as it is captured by the opponent.


  • Very interesting pointsthis is why I came to these forums so much good information from seasoned players thanks guys we will be playing a few games this weekend I’ll let you all know how it goes and how these pieces were implemented

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    @Black_Elk:

    Tactical Bombers, or Mech inf units could maybe be accommodated, but I would think that introducing the G40 factory mechanics into 1942.2 would probably break the game. Just a few things to consider…

    Major factory in UK allowing for a 10 unit drop on KGF, or in Japan a 10 + drop to defeat any real chance of KJF taking Tokyo.

    Major factory purchase in Manchuria, allowing Japan to push wildly across Asia.

    India, Caucasus, or Italy upgraded to Major dropping 10+ units a round.

    Eastern US restricted to 10, preventing an effective Atlantic crossing.

    I suppose its possible some of these might balance out against each other, but at a glance I think it would bust the set up. I’ve never tried though, so this is just conjecture not the result of any experiments. Could be I’m in the minority, but I find the G40 rules concerning factories unnecessarily confusing. The prohibition of factories on islands, when starting factories are on islands (UK, Japan), while at the same time basically shutting down any chance of a pacific minor factory, which would probably have been the most interesting use for them anyway. The necessity to build new factories in “original” territories, when these don’t necessarily correspond to the “starting” territories. The fact that minors only require a territory at 2 ipcs to drop, but can produce 3 units, while majors only need a territory at 3 but can drop 10 units.

    To me the execution just complicates an aspect of the game that should be relatively straight forward. It took a cool idea (that you might separate unit deployment from an attachment to the printed ipc values on the map, or build minor factories in territories without a restriction on IPC value cap) and then watered it down to something that just seems annoying. I see the whole Major/Minor factory dynamic in G40 as yet another example of stubbornness and inflexibility regarding the games overall production distribution. The desire to maintain territories at zero or 1 ipc is so strong, that rather than adjusting IPC values up directly, you split the factory unit class in two? Introducing confusion into a part of the game that used to be easy to explain and teach. And then nerf it such that it is basically useless in the one area of the map where it might prove interesting (valueless pacific islands!) hehe. Its the sort of thing that makes me knock my head on the wall.  :-D

    I think there is something elegant and intuitive about capping production at the printed ipc value 1:1 the way it is handled under normal 1942.2 rules. Its easier to keep track of, since the numbers are written directly on the board. I’d rather have more territories just raised to a value of 2 ipcs directly on the board (so they are viable for normal factories) rather than creating a whole new mechanic for factories, or multiple different factory unit types. Another paragraph of rules, another thing to keep track of in an already complex game. Alas

    Here is an idea about how to use those same Major and Minor Factory units in 1942.2…
    Ditch the global rules about them altogether, and then use the pieces in some new way! :)

    For example, retain the Majors as your normal factory unit, and use the Minors as some kind of forward deployment base that has nothing to do with the printed IPC values. As a side note, the most interesting rules I have found for 1942.2 regarding factories, is to allow ICs to be destroyed… whether optionally, by the withdrawing defender, or automatically as soon as it is captured by the opponent.

    Well said Black Elk. I like the concept of lowering the cost of the factory unit. Allow them to be built anywhere. Limit their production to a set amount of units produced per turn. The caveat is that they can be destroyed just like any other unit. The stats would obviously need to be factored, but allowing factories to simply be destroyed or built as needed would make the game a lot better IMO.

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