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kurt3892
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2002, 01:34:00 pm »
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Maybe give Italian infantry an attack value of zero and defense value of one?  This way Italian forces would perform historically...they would'nt be able to do anything offensively but they could help out the Germans defensively a bit.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2002, 02:27:00 pm »
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i'm giving them algiria anyway.
I don't want to give SE a larger value then Germany.
and i want Italy to be some kind of a threat to the allies so i'm not redusing there attack value.
i could increse Libya's value to 3 but i think that as far as i go.
Italy's Production was not that vary good at this point in the war anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2002, 02:37:00 pm »
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How about this for a turn order?

Germany
Russia
Italy
Britain
Japan
USA

and I think taking Germanys area of expansion away more than makes up for strenthening Italy.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2002, 03:17:00 pm »
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Russia (restricted smiley )
Italy
Germany
Great Britain
Japan
America

Italy should have the oppurtunity to attack GB african positions b4 germany.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2002, 04:55:00 pm »
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I agree with the flying wing on the turn order, except that Germany should go first being the better country.  But it really doesn't matter since both Germany and Italy go before Britian.  Also I wouldn't consider Libya worth 3 IPCs.  Even though it's oil rich, no way could it be worth equal to Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Kerilia, or the Caucasus.  Instead you should also give the Italians Egypt too since Rommel was pretty close to taking Cario.  That why a 15 IPC Italy sounds about right. Also that post about making Sicily worth something.  I think that would be a very valid option. Instead you could give Egypt to the Brits and make Sicily worth 2-3 IPCs.  

As for the historical side note, it's true that the Italians had a fairly modern Navy. However, without any air cover or good naval tactics, the Italians were soundly defeated by the British in such engagements as the Massacre off Cape Matapan.        
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2002, 05:10:00 pm »
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I think if sicily was made two IPCs, and Libya was 2 IPCs, and germany keeps algeria, and italy is 10 (remember there is greece and the balkans in that territory.

that way, italy makes 14, three infantry and a tank.

I would be very interested to play a game like this, but splitting the german axis might severely hurt the axis.  That is why i support 3 ipcs in lybia.  but if that hurt the historical damage.  How about making albania and greece a seperate italian holding worth 3 ipcs?  IMO italy has to make 18 IPCs to balance the new axis W/no bidding.  If italy is 10, albania/greece is 3, and lybia is 2, and sicily is 2, and add a corisca on the map for 1 IPC.  

Then Italy can be a real player, and the game can be more balanced.  perhaps, the allies would be forced to attack the "soft underbelly" of europe,a dn there would be no need for bidding.

I only believe italy should go before germany is because germany would have to decide to either commit their forces to africa or to russia, depening on what italy does like the real war.
sorry for the misspellings!

p.s.  this would be awesome for a free for all!

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2002, 05:37:00 pm »
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14-15 IPCs sounds like a good number.  Here's my suggestion Italy worth 8 IPCs (no way could it be worth more than Britain, Russia, Western Europe, or Japan even with the Balkans), Sicily wroth 2-3 IPCs, 2 Libya worth 2 IPCs, and Algeria worth 2 IPCs.    
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2002, 05:52:00 pm »
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we would have to see how a game would play out.

Italy had some decent aircraft made and in the works:
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Air2.html
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Air12.html

and how about that navy:
http://www.regiamarina.it/stats.htm

they had battleships that would make all but the japanese blush

http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/aquila_f.htm

even an aircraft carrier in the works

enjoy!  the italians didn't want to win...  the italians didn't react quick enough to destroy the british fleet, and then waited for the british to blow them away, like the swordfish bombers torpedo bombing capsizing 3 italian battleships.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2002, 07:06:00 pm »
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FIAT!?  I can't believe they actually made airplanes once.  Anyways, the main Italian fighter I was thinking about was the Caproni Reggiana Re 2001 Falco II (1942).  Not only did this plane look right but it flew right.  Deadly with it's Alfa Romeo-built Daimler-Benz DB 601 A engines in the skills of experienced Italian pilots.  I wish I had some pictures to show, it was that nice looking compared with the snub nose "Arrow."
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2002, 07:43:00 pm »
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I'd like to add that http://www.combinedfleet.com is an awesome site well worth checking out by all WWII naval buffs--I know that's at least some of you!

Good choice, Horten...

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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2002, 08:56:00 pm »
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Great website.  I was able to revisit some of my old old war buddies from the South Pacific.  God just seeing pictures of the Yamoto (the biggest and most powerful battleship ever constructed) and Shinano (the biggest carrier in WWII) brings back memories.  But where's the Musashi?  They didn't give much information on it.  

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2002, 06:11:00 am »
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i bet you can "donate" money to the website and they will find out for you smiley
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2002, 03:58:00 pm »
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Ha if I really had any money to spare.  I'm broke.  
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2002, 05:02:00 pm »
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Libya 2, algeria 2, SE 10  total 14
i can't mke siciy a seperate country it's to small and Eurpoe is crowded as it is

does any one have an extra set of pieces laying  around some ware, i'll be willing to by them off you (mind you it will be in Canadian $)
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