Old British NO still usable?

[Axisplaya]

But what exactly guys make you think that there is an imbalance that needs to be compensated by a new UK NO ?

[ErwinRommel]

If Germany, Japan and Italy have good opens they are more likely to win than the allies...

[BulwFi]

Yea Enemy Sub NO was a good one. Think we will include it as a house rule after all it was Britians life line for the war effort.

[techroll42]

The thing with US fighters is that they would be separate. If anything, do "Lend-Lease" where BRITAIN gets units in Britain.

[oztea]

Ive been pushing for the following changes to the UK Europe NOs

When the United Kingdom Is at War in Europe (awarded to the Europe economy):
• 5 IPCs if the United Kingdom controls Scotland, Gibraltar, and Egypt and no axis warships are in any of the sea zones adjacent to these territories.
Theme: Vital trade routes to and from the Empire remain open.

• 5 IPCs if there is at least one allied surface warship in sea zone 107-108 and/or sea zone 117-118 and no German warships are in or adjacent to sea zones 107-108 & 117-118.
Theme: Vital trade and lend lease material from North America.



Attatched is a map of where German subs could nullify NO #2 from.
Note, that Subs built at Normandy can strike 107-108 and 117-118
Which is where the allies MUST keep a boat to get the NO.
So at best Germany will be able to spend 6 to attack a boat every turn, and if it kills it, then be in a position violating the NO.

[knp7765]

oztea, those are some cool ideas for UK NOs.  The second one does seem a bit complicated and fairly easy for Germany to cancel out but it's not impossible for Britain to gain it.

But what exactly guys make you think that there is an imbalance that needs to be compensated by a new UK NO ?

Personally, I just think it stinks that UK only has that one NO which is usually gone by round 2 or 3 and almost impossible to get back unless Italy really gets fouled up and Germany is too focused on Russia.  UK is one of the MAJOR players.  All the other major players have at least 3 or more NO possibilities.  I just think England should get more than one.

[Axisplaya]

Personally, I just think it stinks that UK only has that one NO which is usually gone by round 2 or 3 and almost impossible to get back unless Italy really gets fouled up and Germany is too focused on Russia.  UK is one of the MAJOR players.  All the other major players have at least 3 or more NO possibilities.  I just think England should get more than one.

But...have you seen what it looks like by round 9-11 when US is all over the board in the atlantic and in the med ? UK can have all her territories liberated and often make around 40 IPC per round. And you want to add some more NOs ?
Personally i think it's hard enough for the Axis without boosting UK more than it should.

[knp7765]

Well, first let me say that most of our games end up in Axis victories, and that usually happens within 7-9 rounds.  The games that have been Allied victories usually take longer, about 12-13 rounds or so.

If Japan is doing a decent job of keeping USA busy in the Pacific, and if they manage to take Calcutta and the DEI then they should be able to, then the US isn't going to be all over the Atlantic and Med.  In that case, Germany will probably be SBRing and convoy raiding UK into the poorhouse while driving deep into Russia and Italy will be taking advantage of a weakened Britain and taking many British territories throughout Africa and the Middle East.  It will just get harder and harder for Britain to reclaim those territories.  THIS is the case where I think UK needs another NO or 2 so they at least have a chance at bringing in a little more income.

Now, in the case of games where the Allies are doing better, then I agree UK will be making plenty of money.  Odds are in that type of game, America has managed to at least neutralize Japan and is more heavily invested in Atlantic/Med operations.  Germany will probably be stretched thin trying to keep Allied navy and air force at bay while dealing with Russia.  Italy probably has gotten pushed out of Africa, lost their fleet in the Med and is cornered in Italy.  Then UK will probably be very strong and doesn't need to have another NO or two.  This will probably be late in the game as well.  My problem is with the early game, when UK has very few options.  I still think they should have more than just one NO opportunity.

[ErwinRommel]

I think its fun to play Axis with this NO, as if America was to go 100% atlantic (very unlikely) it be a witch hunt after the german subs. The subs might sail to africa or south america and still denying UK income.

It also become vital to keep some german fleet activity against UK, which is as realistic as it can be.

[Cow]

Good National Objective, UK making less than italy = something is wrong. Especially since the italian naval is strong, UK is out of position to act, UK won't see that money till late in the game anyway when it is broke off its ass.