Botider (Axis) vs Jen (Allies) G40A2 +NO -Tech Gm4

[Botider]

okay... glad you haven't replied yet, because i think i goofed. though my move is legal in sz6, i don't think what i want to achieve during non-combat is actually legal. so let me ask...

COMBAT MOVE:
i left 4 transports in sz6... the rest of the fleet left to attack sz20. two of the six transports went to philippines and formosa (in sz20). two subs came to sz6 to attack the american destroyer that is still there. my intent was to kill the american destroyer so that on non-combat the transports could load units from japan and move to sz19 or sz20, depending on how the battle in sz20 goes. BUT,... i think if you scramble plans from korea to help defend the american destroyer in sz6 (and why wouldn't you, really?), that if you score 2 hits with the destroyer and possibly three fighters, you will actually kill the transports i left in sz6. is that right? since they did not move out of sz6, are they not considered part of the combat in sz6?

so,... what i'd like to do is alter my purchase and the sz6 combat. nothing else. i would propose my purchase be:
- repair 4 / 2 ftr, 2 destroyers, spend $40, save $2

mod to combat move:
4 transports sz6 > sz20
no combat in sz6... the two subs do not move there

is this okay? i still need to know how you want to proceed with the sz20 battle... do you want to declare an OOL, or just go round by round?

[Cmdr Jennifer]

Nope, the transports cannot be used to move any units or move.  You would need a German or Italian unit to kill the American destroyer to make them functionable again.

[Cmdr Jennifer]

And no, there is no scramble.  The whole point of that destroyer is to stop you from loading your transports or moving them.  Best 8 IPC that America can spend.

[Botider]

okay,... in that case i will leave the move as originally posted. the 2 subs will attack the destroyer, to try to free up the transports to move units in non-combat. i can do that, right?

[Botider]

and here are the dice for sz6...

2 subs @ 2

Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 1

2@2: (2, 6)

vs
dd @ 2

Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 0

1@2: (5)

[Botider]

sz6 cleared of us destroyer... (stop me here if i am wrong about how this will work, but i assume that in non-combat i will be able to load units on the transports in sz6 if i so desire).

sz20 - attackers
5 ss /5 dd @ 2, 5 ftr @ 3, 2 bb/2 sbmb/2 tbmb @ 4

Rolls: 10@2 5@3 6@4; Total Hits: 12

10@2: (1, 3, 5, 5, 3, 1, 6, 4, 1, 1)5@3: (2, 6, 2, 6, 4)6@4: (3, 1, 4, 4, 2, 3)

call casualties...

[Mistergreen]

Let me be the bringer of bad news, since the trn's was present during the battle in sz6 they count as part of that battle and thus may not move in ncm, to get things out you need to kill the dd and bring in trn's from elsewhere...

[Botider]

Let me be the bringer of bad news, since the trn's was present during the battle in sz6 they count as part of that battle and thus may not move in ncm, to get things out you need to kill the dd and bring in trn's from elsewhere...

if this be true (first off, it is a strange rule... a unit with no combat ability must engage in combat?), then will you allow me to amend my combat move to include the other 4 transports going to sz20 (completely unloaded, of course)? otherwise, they die, since they apparently can't move. :/

[Botider]

so as to not get too bogged down... this is where we stand right now with sz20 battle to be resolved. need your casualties in round 1 to proceed.

we can discuss trn movement as needed, but there is one battle left to complete this turn. thanks for your patience with me...

[Cmdr Jennifer]

You may not load transports in a combat zone, so you cannot bring the infantry on the transport in the attack on SZ 20 nor may you take the Philippines.

Otherwise, take casualties in SZ 20 to maximize defender damage against Japan.   You may just call it off without Philippines tho, since you'll never get a fleet in SZ 6 again.

[Mistergreen]

The transfers Botider had listed were loaded in non-combat zones.

[Botider]

You may not load transports in a combat zone, so you cannot bring the infantry on the transport in the attack on SZ 20 nor may you take the Philippines.

Otherwise, take casualties in SZ 20 to maximize defender damage against Japan.   You may just call it off without Philippines tho, since you'll never get a fleet in SZ 6 again.

Inf to phi came from guam. Inf for formosa came from asia, not japan. I believe those are legal. I need casualties because I don't know how you want to assign hits to cv's...

[Botider]

okay... moving on in this seemingly interminable game...
per your ool instructions (always retaining best defense)... 12 hits assigned thusly:

1 - damage dd
2 - damage cv #1
3 - damage cv #2
4 - damage cv #3
5 - sub
6 - sub
7 - sub
8 - sub
9 - sub
10 - cv #1
11 - cv #2
12 - cv #3

so... 3 ca, 6 ftr, 1 dbb remain... best defense

sz20
round 1 defensive roll...
5 ss @ 1, 3 cv @ 2, 3 ca @ 3, 6 ftr/1 bb @ 4

Rolls: 5@1 3@2 3@3 7@4; Total Hits: 8

5@1: (3, 2, 2, 3, 4)3@2: (4, 4, 1)3@3: (4, 6, 4)7@4: (1, 4, 2, 4, 3, 3, 3)

[Botider]

your 4's rescued you from complete disaster... but then, so did mine. 
��� casualties...
1 damage bb
2 damage bb
3 ss
4 ss
5 dd
6 dd
7 dd
8 ftr

2 ss, 3 dd, 4 ftr, 2 tbmb, 2 sbmb, 2 dbb remain...

sz20
round 2 - attackers...
3 ss @ 2, 2 dd @ 2, 4 ftr @ 3, 2 tbmb/2sbmb/2dbb @ 4

Rolls: 3@2 2@2 4@3 6@4; Total Hits: 6

3@2: (3, 3, 3)2@2: (5, 3)4@3: (5, 2, 1, 4)6@4: (5, 6, 4, 4, 2, 1)

[Botider]

not good... had a great chance there to minimize your defense with the subs,... no dice. literally.

3 ca, 3 ftr killed...

sz20
defense
3 ca @ 3, 6 ftr/dbb @ 4

Rolls: 3@3 7@4; Total Hits: 5

3@3: (6, 4, 2)7@4: (2, 6, 4, 6, 3, 2, 5)