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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2003, 05:46:05 pm »
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Caution...Warning Smiley

Do NOT go to Spain too early and definately do NOT go to Spain on US 2.  That is a game losing move.

Germany WILL blow those trannies out of the water on G3.

And she WILL retreat from EE, sending a few Inf from Germany to WE, landing her Ftrs in WE and massing her armour in WE or Germany.

She will be impervious to attacks on either Germany or WE on UK/US3.

Only modest UK 3 reinforcements can arrive in Spain.

On Rus 4 she can take EE for free, but it matters not.

On Ger 4 she will have a MASSIVE armour & air heavy attack on Spain....but she won't take Spain....just kill 90% of your forces and then retreat.

Or she will throw everything at EE and blow out the Russian, evac WE and then turn around and kill you in WE next turn.

You will have no US 3 reinforcements, since you'll have to rebuild the trannies.

You will have no US 4 reinforcements, since you have to build then men as well Smiley

Basically, this leaves the US without fleet AND without follow-on forces in the US...she needs to build BOTH again.

UK 3 forces in Spain are just more dead meat and make the strafe more juicy.

UK 3 forces in Finland or Karelia are useless and cannot help defend the Russkie if she moves to EE on R4 from getting killed on G4.

The Russian/German front is not as scary as you think.  The Russian supply line is extended by 1, while the German supply line is reduced by 1.  Unless disaster strikes, Germany can deal with one front then turn to the other, without serious risk.

The only real risk to Germany is if they accidentally take Spain Smiley

So, you lose the tranny fleet and most of the forces, while Germany will take very minimal casualties.

Establish the pipeline first.

Get enough combat power in Karelia that it cannot be threatened, and it poses a real threat if EE is evac'ed.

Then land in Spain and squeeze...as noted usually UK first then US with Ftr support.  A one turn double load of 16 troops or so with air makes a hit on Spain unlikely.  Especially if the armour MUST defend EE or Germany and can't afford to move.  This is a bit later when enough forces are in play on the Allied side.

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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2003, 05:48:02 pm »
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Jefe is right, if I can take WE and have even a chance of holding it for a round then it's on..but as a much better way to throw a kink in Germany's plans for global domination is the Spain route..
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2003, 12:22:17 am »
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I wonder why noone considered the US move of sending 1 Tr with 1 or 2 Inf to take Spain. That is a minor loss, but lengthens the western front for the Germans. Then the above scenario (probably presented by SUD) is less costly (you will lose one Tr), but the German flexible response will not come (or only by fighter strafing, if it dares that!)
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2003, 09:45:28 am »
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That is a pretty stupid strategy.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2003, 01:41:17 pm »
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Daggum, SUD!

You take all the fun out of learning.  Now everybody knows the secret.  I think part of the fun is getting whooped.  The best fun is when you figure out how to defeat the other guys "Grand Plan!"

guest, I dissagree F_alk's notation has merit.  He explained his reasoning!  Yours is nothing but insults which F_alk can ignore like water off a duck's butt!
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2003, 01:48:02 pm »
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Quote from: LJ
You take all the fun out of learning. Now everybody knows the secret. I think part of the fun is getting whooped. The best fun is when you figure out how to defeat the other guys "Grand Plan!"


I don't think it's any fun getting whooped, but then I've never played anyone I thought was any better than me. If I got the chance to play against the masters here, I'd probably get the sh*t beat out of me...and enjoy it! wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2003, 02:15:49 pm »
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I don't lose wars(Vietnam was LBJ's loss, not mine!), just games!

GI, if you cannot have fun losing I wouldn't want to play against you.

It's just a game.

I find losing gives me more of a challenge.  That's one reason I have to keep finding new opponents or a new game to play.

Except for Monopoly.  I get the game to the point where I know I'm going to win, then I make some dumbsas deals to make it more of a game again while.  Sometimes I gotta eliminate myself from the game to balance it, but... what the hey!
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2003, 03:18:38 pm »
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Ahhhh yes, the ole IC in the Solomons strat.  Easily countered by the New Zealand IC though.   Cheesy
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2003, 03:56:17 pm »
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GI, if you cannot have fun losing I wouldn't want to play against you.


What GI really meant by that statement:

While I don't enjoy losing, it does not generally in any way detract from my enjoyment of the game. However, it does usually result in me obsessing over the conditions that led to my loss until the next time I play. So, overall, winning is probably better for my state of mind. Also, it's more of the beginning and middle of games that I enjoy, where the outcome is still in doubt. Once a side or person gains a large advantage, then I tend to just want to give up and start over (even if I am the one winning)

There! I finally got it into a form that I was satisfied with.
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