How often do you attack strict neutrals? and why?

[shrinks]

I personally have never attacked a strict neutral and don't really plan too. The consequenses are so huge! So i was curious about everyone else's games. When and why do you attack strict nuetrals in your games and what were the pros and cons of it?

[13thguardsriflediv]

Never done it either. I suppose one does it only when one has already got a decisive advantage or if super desperate but I don't really see a situation where that might apply.

Or maybe you are gunning for the seal of the imperial psychopath, and attack EVERYBODY on turn 1

[Gargantua]

I've seen the Americans do it, because they can land in Spain every game turn.

However, i've been contemplating a new strategy for these, as the axis, that I think will work effectively.  I'll post more later once I map it out.

[Gargantua]

Before I continue however... I am S.O.L. for a map in front of me for awhile.


If someone can help me, I'll put together a GOOD strategy and business case - for strict neutral invasion.  Why and when you should, and how to make it work to YOUR advantage.

Can someone make a list, of ALL of the strict neutrals, their IPC worth, and how many units are in them.

IE.

Spain +2  6 inf
Turkey +2 8 inf
Sweden +3 6 inf
Rio De Oro   -     -
Switzerland  -  2 inf

Something that looks nice... maybe even in excel.  But a chart will go a long way in helping me prove out my math, and neutral theory.

[FieldMarshalGames]

I would never attack them.  Why bring the WHOLE world against you?

[Frontovik]

becasue then in OOB germany has control over entire middle-east through turkey at round 4. make a link-up with japs from india

[Gargantua]

Not to mention the kind of things you can do with airbases in Spain and Portugal, to stop the allies from EVER making a landing, or even hoping of entering the med.

The more you force america to spend on one side or the other, the better your chances keep becoming - as the Axis to win.

[shrinks]

these all sound like great ideas, but who actually has done some of these things? however, the spanish airfield sounds very interesting. but wouldn't it be too vulnerable? unless you took russia already and could afford that.

[Gargantua]

Like I said, someone with a map, make a list of all the places and states, and I will make a game case for it.

There are several reasons to attack I can outline once I have this information...

And yes, sometimes when I am just stomping as germany, I invade neutrals.

[Sime]

Like I said, someone with a map, make a list of all the places and states, and I will make a game case for it.

HolKann posted a high res map in the forums:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=19489.0

[Gargantua]

First of all lets divide the neutrals into ones that matter, and ones that don't matter.

Central Mongolian
Tsagaan
Uruaguay
Paraguay
Bolivia
Peru
Eqcuador
Columbia
Portuguese Guenia
Sierra Leone
Liberia
Rio De Oro

All the above listed neutrals have NO value, and NO units, and therefor - for all intensive purposes DON'T matter.

[Gargantua]

COUNTRY Spain Turkey Sweden Portugal Angola Mozambique Saudi Arabia Venezula Chile Argentina Afghanistan Switzerland Dzavahn Olgiy Buyant Ulaanbaatar

IPC VALUE 2 2 3 1 1 1 2 2 2 2

UNITS 6 8 6 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 4 2 1 2 2 1

[Gargantua]

Let's consider a new Axis strategy of Neutral invasion, for monetary and strategic gain.

*** BASIC NOTES before a final strategy is revealed ***

GOALS AND BENEFITS of invading neutral countries.

1. There are IPC's to be had.
2. The Axis has BEST access to Neutrals first, without oppurtunities by the allies to capture them
3. Neutral Restrictions prevent countries like Russia or the US from activating neutrals early.
4. There are strategic gains from having territories available - LIKE Turkey - a straight drive into the middle east for OIL.
5. Neutrals can be invaded during the Lull turns - rounds 2 - rounds 4, when there is OVERWHELMING support to take these territories, and lots of axis equipment rusting away.
6. It DOESN'T REALLY MATTER if you activate enemy neutrals,  infantry are no good on attack, and usually neutrals only get activated by likely 1 or 2 units,  chances say, you are going to stomp those stacks anyways.
7. Medium stacks are the BEST way to lose LOTS of units on defense.  Medium stacks should not put fear into your plans.

Let's make some more base assumptions.

1. Lets assume  G1 you build transports, feign sea lion, and do the typical navy wipe.
2. Lets assume  You are going for an economic strategy, mediteranean/middleeastern control strategy - to beat the allies.
3. Switzerland is worth nothing, so there is no reason to invade it.

Consider this, on G2
Neutrals the axis can get access to first. And likely what turn.
With a 3 transport build, and mechanized components,  on G2 you can likely invade - with air support

Spain
Sweden
Portugal

G3
Turkey
You could send a contingent to South America, and hit Brazil / and or Argentina etc  from Sz85,

With a potential factory build down there - Argentina, (LOL I know right) against a "less" experienced America, you are going to see a LARGE concerted American Effort, going in completely the WRONG direction.  So you draw them down there, and if they don't go, you are raking in extra IPC's.

Africa is a moot point in the game now...

More thoughts later gtg...



Neutrals that the allies will likely get for free.
Afghanistan + 4 inf
Mongolia - depending on state of war between Russia and Japan - + 6 inf
Angola + 1 ipc + 2 inf
Mozambique +1 IPC + 2 inf.

[Black Bishop]

Argentina, (LOL I know right)

?

[Gargantua]

The thought is, build a minor in Argentina,  and the entirety of the U.S. force will come down there, out of position of anything else.