Table Tactics New Product Release

[DrLarsen]

Is that the skinnier panthers or the wider ones?

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The brand new AA42 model.

If you haven't seen it, you will see it in AAE1940.

It is drop dead gorgeous

[DrLarsen]

Hmm, I think I might have mixed them in with some old wider panthers.  I don't know if I noticed any difference vs previous wider panthers, but maybe I wasn't looking close enough.  The bottom line is that for me to use it, a tiger/JSII class tank MUST be at least noticeably bigger than the wider version of the panther to make sense and avoid heavy/medium tank confusion.  That probably means creating a Pershing that is a little larger than scale.  Same for a Cromwell if that's what we're stuck with for UK heavy tank, though the Cromwell was actually in the Sherman/Panzer IV/T-34 class.  The UK should really use Cromwells instead of, or as an equivalent option for, Shermans in the medium class.  The UK could then use Comets for a size-up heavy.  (The Panther was actually heavier than the Sherman/Cromwell/Panzer IV/T-34 class of tanks; you could argue that a US Pershing and/or UK Comet was more an equivalent of a Panther than of a Tiger or JSII, but having 4 sizes is definitely too many; I'm not sure if I'd even really use more than 2 in my own house rules.)
 
No one else even had a tank in the heavy class that I know of.

 

[DrLarsen]

OK, here's my first attempt at a suped-up naval line-up suggestion

One thing I'm not sure of: since the late-30's light cruiser designs tended to be full-size treaty cruisers with 12-15 6" guns instead of 8-10 8" guns, perhaps a light cruiser would make more sense if we're talking something like an Atlanta Class rather than the "classic" examples like the Cleveland Class.  Anyway, my first attempt...

USA

Superbattleship: Montana or Iowa Class
Battleship: South Dakota or North Carolina Class
Supercruiser: Alaska Class

Heavy Cruiser: Baltimore Class
Light Cruiser: Cleveland Class (or Atlanta Class ?)

Supercarrier: Midway Class
Fleet Carrier: Yorktown or Essex Class
Light Carrier: Independence Class
Escort Carrier: Casablanca Class

UK

Superbattleship: Lion Class
Battleship: King George V Class
Battlecruiser: Renown Class

Heavy Cruiser: County Class
Light Cruiser: Town Class (or Dido Class ?)

Supercarrier: Audacious Class or Malta Class
Fleet Carrier: Illustrious Class or Implacable Class
Light Carrier: Colossus Class
Escort Carrier: Bogue Class

Japan

Superbattleship: Yamato Class
Battleship: Nagato or Ise or Fuso Class
Battlecruiser: B65 Class

Heavy Cruiser: Myoko Class or Post-Conversion Mogami Class
Light Cruiser: Pre-Conversion Mogami Class (or smaller class ?)

Supercarrier: Shinano Class or Taiho Class
Fleet Carrier: Zuikaku Class
Light Carrier: Zuiho Class
Escort Carrier: Chitose Class

 
Germany

Superbattleship: H41 Class
Battleship: Bismark Class
Battlecruiser: Scharnhorst Class

Heavy Cruiser: Hipper Class
Light Cruiser: K Class or Liepzig Class

Supercarrier: NA
Fleet Carrier: Graf Zeppelin
Light Carrier: Seydlitz Class

Italy

Superbattleship: BB1936 Class (basically a scaled-up, 16”-gun Littorio)
Battleship: Littorio Class
Battlecruiser: Project 1929 Class (6x 15” guns, 23,000 tons)

Heavy Cruiser: Zara or Bolzano Class
Light Cruiser: Condottieri Class  

Supercarrier: NA
Fleet Carrier: Aquila Class
Large Escort Carrier: Sparviero Class

France

Superbattleship: Alsace Class (basically a scaled-up version of the Richelieu)
Battleship: Richelieu Class
Battlecruiser: Dunkerque Class (8x 13” guns, 26,000 tons)

Heavy Cruiser: Algerie Class
Light Cruiser: La Galissoniere Class  

Supercarrier: NA
Fleet Carrier: Joffre Class
Light Carrier: Bearn Class

USSR

Superbattleship: Sovietsky Soyuz (basically a scaled-up, 16”-gun Littorio)
Battleship: NA
Battlecruiser: Kronstadt Class (6x 15” guns, 36,000 tons)

Heavy Cruiser: Kirov Class
Light Cruiser: Chapaev Class  

Supercarrier: NA
Fleet Carrier: NA
Light Carrier: Project 71A Class

[Raeder]

I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces

I will buy anything that's the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.

[Table Tactics]

It's good to see TT back in the game, Jack (pun intended )

I put in a starter order of 1 of each just to show my support and check them out to see if I want more.

Nothing like muddying the waters here, but...

I'm reserving judgement on the size issue until I see them.  I'm thinking that maybe, if the pieces are worthy of completely replacing the previous tank units, the size difference would be irrelevant.  I think I'm more concerned about color.  Also, if the units are sized down, would that make the lighter tanks too small?  That was one of the major problems with that Superpowers game: microscopic tanks that were so tiny, I was afraid that they'd get lost in a shag carpet!

I really like the ships idea, but I'm thinking something a little different.  Forget all the smaller ships; the subs and destroyers can pretty much stay generic cannon fodder.  But making a light carrier (or escort carrier), fleet carrier, supercarrior, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, battlecruiser/supercruiser, battleship, & super battleship variant for each country (that actually had and/or planned them) would be super-cool.  Scale them to exactly the same scale as FMG (who, I understand, is creating a basically standard battleship/fleet carrier/heavy cruiser line up for each) rather than standard AA, which gives insufficient room for detail, and in the exact same colors as FMG.

For planes, pick key planes in different categories that FMG wasn't able to do.  (e.g., if he does a P-51, you do a Hellcat or a Corsair and vice versa...If he does a dive bomber for a tac-bomber, you do a topedo bomber, and vice versa...

You comment on tank size was where I was originally.  When I looked at my 3D models at full scale some of them were really small.  Then I tried to make a scale when I guess I could have just used 17mm / 20mm / 23mm for small, medium, large and maybe drop the Tiger.

I like the Corsair & Hellcat but once you shirk them down to 1 inch you tend to lose detail.

Now could I get away with generic carrier's?

[moralecheck]

Hmm, I think I might have mixed them in with some old wider panthers.  I don't know if I noticed any difference vs previous wider panthers, but maybe I wasn't looking close enough.  The bottom line is that for me to use it, a tiger/JSII class tank MUST be at least noticeably bigger than the wider version of the panther to make sense and avoid heavy/medium tank confusion.  That probably means creating a Pershing that is a little larger than scale.  Same for a Cromwell if that's what we're stuck with for UK heavy tank, though the Cromwell was actually in the Sherman/Panzer IV/T-34 class.  The UK should really use Cromwells instead of, or as an equivalent option for, Shermans in the medium class.  The UK could then use Comets for a size-up heavy.  (The Panther was actually heavier than the Sherman/Cromwell/Panzer IV/T-34 class of tanks; you could argue that a US Pershing and/or UK Comet was more an equivalent of a Panther than of a Tiger or JSII, but having 4 sizes is definitely too many; I'm not sure if I'd even really use more than 2 in my own house rules.)
 
No one else even had a tank in the heavy class that I know of.

 

The older wide ones didn't have skirts.

[Table Tactics]

Hmm, I think I might have mixed them in with some old wider panthers.  I don't know if I noticed any difference vs previous wider panthers, but maybe I wasn't looking close enough.  The bottom line is that for me to use it, a tiger/JSII class tank MUST be at least noticeably bigger than the wider version of the panther to make sense and avoid heavy/medium tank confusion.  That probably means creating a Pershing that is a little larger than scale.  Same for a Cromwell if that's what we're stuck with for UK heavy tank, though the Cromwell was actually in the Sherman/Panzer IV/T-34 class.  The UK should really use Cromwells instead of, or as an equivalent option for, Shermans in the medium class.  The UK could then use Comets for a size-up heavy.  (The Panther was actually heavier than the Sherman/Cromwell/Panzer IV/T-34 class of tanks; you could argue that a US Pershing and/or UK Comet was more an equivalent of a Panther than of a Tiger or JSII, but having 4 sizes is definitely too many; I'm not sure if I'd even really use more than 2 in my own house rules.)
 
No one else even had a tank in the heavy class that I know of.

 

This is where rules need to be made.  The Sherman was a higher profile and would have a lesser defense then a Cromwell or Crusader.  The Japanese tanks were kings of the battle field until another tank showed up.  Now a new pricing system may need to be put in place.  Sherman tanks were cheap, fast and burned easy.    While some low profile diesels may not have had much of a gun for offense. 

[Table Tactics]

I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces

I will buy anything that's the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.

OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. 

[Raeder]

I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces

I will buy anything that's the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.

OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. 

Don't get me wrong. Your armor units are great! They're just the wrong size. But your infantry is just not my cup of tea.

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Umm - FMG is making pieces in the exact same scale as Axis & Allies pieces.

There is plenty of room for detail in a piece of that size.

I know Table Tactics will do an amazing job with the upcoming French set. I think that the best use of mold money would be to make 5 pieces total: 3 tanks (discussed previously), an artillery or mech infantry unit, and a fighter. No infantry/gun units needed.

 

[calvinhobbesliker]

Umm - FMG is making pieces in the exact same scale as Axis & Allies pieces.

There is plenty of room for detail in a piece of that size.

I know Table Tactics will do an amazing job with the upcoming French set. I think that the best use of mold money would be to make 5 pieces total: 3 tanks (discussed previously), an artillery or mech infantry unit, and a fighter. No infantry/gun units needed.

 

Does France need 3 tanks? It only starts with 1 tank and isn't going to build more

[Table Tactics]

I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces

I will buy anything that's the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.

OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. 

Don't get me wrong. Your armor units are great! They're just the wrong size. But your infantry is just not my cup of tea.

Many have asked for different types of infantry.  In this forum Imp. Leader asked for paratroopers.  How would you suggest some different units should be made?

[coachofmany]

Possibly with different shaped bases.
1. Square base- marines
2. Triangle base- paratroopers
3. Round- regular infantry
4. 5 pointed Star base- commander

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I actually don't need any different types of infantry.

Think of the Axis & Allies Dice convention - we have too many units at the lower end of the scale. How would you slot addt'l infantry?