French figures---less than what a normal power would get?

[GrizzlyMan]

I don't think the Allies would automatically win if France wasn't eliminated on the first round. Russia will probably start out pretty weak and won't threaten Germany for a few turns. Plus there shouldn't be many units in the UK to cause Germany any problems.

I don't want France to be a complete walkover for the entire game. I'd like it of they at least took a part in some African battles, as they did in the actual war, and I want them to have a respectable navy. I think the best rule would be one similar to China's: were, even if they loose their capital, they can still collect IPCs and build infantry and artillery in their African colonies

[LHoffman]

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are "well represented" or not....they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game ... then the French Navy MUST still be "alive".


The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don't care. As long as they are there.

[UN Spacy]

I don't think the Allies would automatically win if France wasn't eliminated on the first round. Russia will probably start out pretty weak and won't threaten Germany for a few turns. Plus there shouldn't be many units in the UK to cause Germany any problems.

I don't want France to be a complete walkover for the entire game. I'd like it of they at least took a part in some African battles, as they did in the actual war, and I want them to have a respectable navy. I think the best rule would be one similar to China's: were, even if they loose their capital, they can still collect IPCs and build infantry and artillery in their African colonies

Also, I think Larry said the Soviets cannot attack any Axis power for a few turns, though I'm not sure as to the exact number. The Soviets WILL be well-represented, but just not in a position to defend themselves or attack.

I also agree that they should build infantry and artillery in the colonies, at least that means their power won't steadily dwindle instead of getting increasingly more powerful, as they did in real life.

[calvinhobbesliker]

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are "well represented" or not....they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game ... then the French Navy MUST still be "alive".


The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don't care. As long as they are there.

Actually, that was on the 3rd of July

[LHoffman]

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are "well represented" or not....they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game ... then the French Navy MUST still be "alive".


The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don't care. As long as they are there.

Actually, that was on the 3rd of July

Oh my mistake... so 70 years ago today. The book I got the information from said July 4.